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antigone382

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166. My response was really more to the topic in the subthread than the thread as a whole.

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:06 PM

Nov 2013

The point was made, albeit sarcastically, that European countries with strong social safety nets and good benefits put a "friendly face" on capitalism--the joke being that capitalism is not so bad after all. My point is that the "friendly face" moniker may not be far off, when we take into account the subjugation of third world people to supply the resources and labor for "modern" consumerist society.

I was simply pointing out that even when capitalism allows for social justice within a nation, we still have not proven that global capitalism, at least in anything resembling its present form, can provide social or environmental justice on a planetary scale. It has so far profoundly failed at doing so; in fact we are on the verge of an environmental crisis which virtually guarantees death and/or profound suffering for billions of people all over the world, and we are hurtling ever more rapidly towards it in the interest of "economic viability" and "growth."

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Is There a Revolution Coming? Americans Finally Realize Global Capitalism Is a Murderous Sham [View all] xchrom Oct 2013 OP

when enough people are starving and losing their shirts.... ejpoeta Oct 2013 #1

Therein lies the problem .... Myrina Oct 2013 #38

I find that a healthy dose of Christian scripture... Cannikin Oct 2013 #138

We may also have to learn how to fix stupid before Zorra Oct 2013 #50

that is true. they have people blaming a group who has absolutely no ejpoeta Nov 2013 #171

"Global capitalism?" So is domestic capitalism...it was murdering long before global capitalism. kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #169

And don't forget other evil capitalist countries like Norway, Switzerland, Denmark and Germany. Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #2

Nicely said. n/t pampango Oct 2013 #9

Yes, those liberal (but still capitalist) countries ... Laelth Oct 2013 #28

They have a good combination of capitalism and socialism... polichick Oct 2013 #87

And LOTS of free trade (nt) Nye Bevan Oct 2013 #91

They also have tons of protections for their people... polichick Oct 2013 #98

And what of the people who live in the developing countries where their products are made? antigone382 Nov 2013 #160

You'll get no disagreement from me - Fair trade chocolate, coffee, etc... polichick Nov 2013 #161

How will those injustices cause an armed uprising in America? GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #165

My response was really more to the topic in the subthread than the thread as a whole. antigone382 Nov 2013 #166

Well said! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2013 #59

I don't think capitalism is evil, so much as it is unbalanced by a lack of socialism and communism. Th1onein Oct 2013 #110

I would argue that they do indeed put a "friendly face" on something that is evil. antigone382 Nov 2013 #167

When you line me up against the wall, please aim for the head..... brooklynite Oct 2013 #3

yada, yada, yada Zorra Oct 2013 #75

He's right - TBF Oct 2013 #81

It's already happening in Europe where the results of Wall St/Friedman sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #154

yes - TBF Nov 2013 #157

No revolution coming. Things aren't anywhere near that bad. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #4

Current economic statistics... sendero Oct 2013 #6

Got anything to back up that statement? 99Forever Oct 2013 #18

Yes. 67 years of life. See post #30. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #71

Oh my. 99Forever Oct 2013 #139

Actually, it is that you seemed not have learned the lessons that life has to offer. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #142

These statements, smartguy: 99Forever Nov 2013 #146

Check out these posts: GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #149

Whether "life is better" depends entirely .. 99Forever Nov 2013 #162

It's an Internet Revolution! snooper2 Oct 2013 #118

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #168

From my perspective, things have been getting worse for "most" U.S. citizens for 40+ years. Laelth Oct 2013 #30

"from my perspective" is the operative phrase here... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #31

Not really. It's easily backed up with facts. Google is your friend. marmar Oct 2013 #39

then do so please... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #41

Let's take a look at 50 years ago and now. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #69

I'm sorry, but that just reeks of the RW talking points about how the poor aren't actually poor. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #73

I lived in 1963. For that matter, 1953 also. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #84

Thank you for bringing perspective CFLDem Oct 2013 #93

Also from 50 years ago: the USA was ramping up a massive military intervention in Vietnam muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #119

True. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #120

What used to be cartoonishly open villainy has just been replaced by covert means. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #126

You foolishly think that the 99% want revolution. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #133

The 60's would be impossible now. hollowdweller Nov 2013 #170

things getting worse tradesMan53 Nov 2013 #153

I've got something better - FACTS TBF Oct 2013 #82

I posted facts too. Do you deny they facts I posted? GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #90

I think conditions will warrant whether folks revolt - TBF Oct 2013 #99

The masses are not starving. In fact, we have an epidemic of obesity. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #101

Let's examine your assertions - TBF Oct 2013 #104

SNAP people are not the majority. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #107

Oh I don't agree with revolution in this country - TBF Oct 2013 #115

The OP claims that the country is on the edge of revolt now. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #129

"Masses are content" - TBF Oct 2013 #132

That's not true at all. In fact, it's completely backwards. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #106

The masses are not starving. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #109

You're still completely wrong that an obesity epidemic is evidence that hunger isn't a problem. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #111

Yes, our diet of choice, and lack of exercise is terrible. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #122

I was going to bother nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #145

malnutrition tradesMan53 Nov 2013 #156

Fast foods are more expensive than stuff that has to be prepared. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #158

"Most folks" as defined by your link-free anecdotes? bobduca Oct 2013 #44

Go to dictionary.com. "Most" is defined there. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #46

So a majority of "folks" are getting richer? bobduca Oct 2013 #48

I didn't say richer, I said life is better. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #70

I work at a food bank and say you are full of baloney. Things are getting worse every day. rhett o rick Oct 2013 #144

What percentage of the population relies upon SNAP, or Meals-on-wheels? GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #147

More important is the fact that the disparity is growing wider. When I am working with rhett o rick Nov 2013 #148

We are discussing armed revolution. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #150

yeah as soon as everyone gets through buying sneakers with lights in them arely staircase Oct 2013 #5

LOL! +1000 VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #32

No mention of an alternative system seveneyes Oct 2013 #7

The alternative system would be to level the playing field. Hotler Oct 2013 #19

do you really see that happening? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #33

I don't, we live in a very controlled group think society, many never question, and RKP5637 Oct 2013 #61

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #102

No Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #8

How is dkf? Seen him lately? Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #78

So DU is unanimous in their support for HC? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #80

So Straw Men are your specialty? Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #83

I love you Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #89

A revolution would be the worst thing to happen to this country. KY5 Oct 2013 #10

I agree Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #12

Agreed. Those who seek this "revolution" have no idea what pain it would cause... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #34

Ultimately, is there much of a difference? Myrina Oct 2013 #42

Have you looked into them? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #49

Where I am, there is elder abuse EVERYWHERE. Myrina Oct 2013 #52

Assisted Living Facilities are apartments that are designed for older folks. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #97

I agree. HappyMe Oct 2013 #51

And, there is no guarantee anything would be better, in fact, it could be a lot RKP5637 Oct 2013 #64

Exactly. HappyMe Oct 2013 #68

Except it's getting virtually impossible to do even that. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #76

It's akin to a cancer that has been allowed to spread, it's a deplorable situation. If, there RKP5637 Oct 2013 #96

The information limited herd is smart enough to know that a violent revolution would be a disaster. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #103

We definitely need a paradigm shift - might be messy for a while... polichick Oct 2013 #108

Agent Mike says: "Bring it on!" Earth_First Oct 2013 #11

What gives you the right? Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #47

That's some serious nonsense. And the last paragrpah is hilarious. JoePhilly Oct 2013 #13

The great thing about freedom is that you can try what you want. gulliver Oct 2013 #14

Excellent post. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #36

Well said! RKP5637 Oct 2013 #67

Take a look around Blecht Oct 2013 #125

Laughably desperate nonsense. No revolution in the US until TV goes dark & the stores run out of FSogol Oct 2013 #15

k/r marmar Oct 2013 #16

If there would be revolution coming to America, sufrommich Oct 2013 #17

I consider the chance of revolution to be infinitesimal. MineralMan Oct 2013 #20

There is no revolution coming, nor should there be... Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #21

Well said. randome Oct 2013 #23

People don't need 'enlightenment' to want higher wages leftstreet Oct 2013 #86

A New Enlightenment would include how people think about work and wages. nt Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #92

Finally, I think the whole world is waking up to it. nt. polly7 Oct 2013 #22

I hope not. They generally kill a lot of people and make things much worse (nt) Recursion Oct 2013 #24

There won't be a revolution. That's a dirty, foreign, hysterical thing. sibelian Oct 2013 #25

! xchrom Oct 2013 #29

That is the "American Exceptionalism" argument in stark terms. bobduca Oct 2013 #43

Which version of Utopia follows this mass revolution? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #55

hope so! gopiscrap Oct 2013 #26

Interesting. Laelth Oct 2013 #27

Revolution will come....but not in the U.S. VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #35

Chris Hedges actively works against the Democratic Party oberliner Oct 2013 #37

"a rival political party" aka Greens... bobduca Oct 2013 #57

Green Party candidates attack Democrats and Republicans with equal vigor oberliner Oct 2013 #65

And your point is? truebluegreen Oct 2013 #58

...that we should ignore anyone but our Party Leaders(tm) bobduca Oct 2013 #60

Helping elect more Democrats to political office at all levels of American government oberliner Oct 2013 #63

Bingo. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #85

This person is not an ally in the fight to get Democrats elected oberliner Oct 2013 #66

Some things are bigger than partisan politics. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2013 #77

Such as dismantling global capitalism? oberliner Oct 2013 #112

Surprise, when you push leftists out of the party in favor of centrist corporatists NuclearDem Oct 2013 #79

There are plenty of leftist Democrats oberliner Oct 2013 #113

Left by the American standard of left-right. NuclearDem Oct 2013 #117

Agreed oberliner Oct 2013 #128

I'd consider him an ally in the fight for a better democracy... truebluegreen Oct 2013 #88

He works against getting Democrats elected oberliner Oct 2013 #114

Read what I said again. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #124

I don't see how it makes for better democracy and better Democrats oberliner Oct 2013 #127

Why, yes. Yes I am. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #131

I'm happy with the Democrats we have oberliner Oct 2013 #135

I'm glad you are happy. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #137

A revolution will never occur in this country because millions here are too apathetic to do anything Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #40

Nooooooo no no no no NO. It's not "too much work". sibelian Oct 2013 #45

Or because too few people here want to kill Seeking Serenity Oct 2013 #72

Hmmm. Vashta Nerada Oct 2013 #74

We can hope - cuz the status quo is unsustainable... polichick Oct 2013 #53

In a related story, when is "Honey Boo-Boo" back on the air? nt tridim Oct 2013 #54

More people are finally getting it that capitalism highly rewards cheaters, crooks, RKP5637 Oct 2013 #56

and then the media will crush it as if it never existed. librechik Oct 2013 #62

One thing is for sure nadinbrzezinski Oct 2013 #94

"Viva La Revolucion! CFLDem Oct 2013 #95

Populations don't revolt over abstract ideas. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #100

Revolution: Where centrists practice fundamentalist belief that it won't happen, Eleanors38 Oct 2013 #105

There won't be an anti-capitalist revolution because there aren't enough stupid people FreeJoe Oct 2013 #116

The examples of great capitalist societies that you give are actually... polichick Nov 2013 #152

Revolution: jazzimov Oct 2013 #121

Revolutions are generally unsuccessful -- what revolution would you consider a success? FarCenter Oct 2013 #123

I believe the point is that revolutions are something to generally be avoided, and that Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #130

Modern revolutions, and some modern definitions of revolution: Zorra Oct 2013 #134

Not if 'quality of life' goes up for everyone in the country. Rex Oct 2013 #136

I used to think so Boom Sound 416 Oct 2013 #140

Yes, but if you are over 40 it's unlikely you'll live to see it. 1000words Oct 2013 #141

We are evolving Mosaic Oct 2013 #143

Evolution does not have a direction. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #151

Hey, whatever gets rid of the Re-branded Feudalism, I'm all for it. HughBeaumont Nov 2013 #155

Do you really think you would be happy living through an armed revolution - if you survive? N/T GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #159

I said "Whatever gets rid of the Re-branded Feudalism". HughBeaumont Nov 2013 #163

The OP is about violent, armed, killing and being killed, revolution in America. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #164