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In reply to the discussion: I wish people wouldn't be so rude to those who lose out under the ACA. [View all]
MADem
(135,425 posts)314. They'd go to the "Health" group and play the wide-eyed innocent. Count on it.
They aren't interested in disrupting GD....they're interested in disrupting any conversation about the ACA, no matter where it is located. Just because a thread is in a group, that doesn't stop it from hitting the greatest page, or popping up in the "Milestones." It's all down to traffic in the thread--if there's lots of traffic, people will be drawn to the conversation, no matter if it's in GD, Health or some special brand-new group.
"Waaaah, my old plan was better...." "Waaah, I can't afford this...." and they'd play the same games.....Where do you live? No answer.....How much do you make? No answer....How large is your family? No answer....Just crab-crab-crab about how "awful" Obama is. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I have to say I agree with the admins. I've been around here long enough that I've seen this kind of thing before. People get initially excited about a group, and then they completely abandon it. Scroll through some of the ones we have here, many are ghost towns.
Examples:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1105
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1106
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1175
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1225
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1023
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I wish people wouldn't be so rude to those who lose out under the ACA. [View all]
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
OP
Like this thread ---I supported the ACA, but my policy that I like is being cancelled because of it
warrant46
Nov 2013
#37
Horshit I offered nicely and gave suggestions he hit and ran a typical example of false flag...
Drew Richards
Nov 2013
#368
And he will only share basic details about the policy with his friends. He only came to DU to...
valerief
Nov 2013
#330
All policies have to provide certain benefits to be sold in the ACA national exchange.
The Wielding Truth
Nov 2013
#196
when I worked I made that amount. I could not afford to pay that much a month. How can anyone
roguevalley
Nov 2013
#36
No they aren't....most didn't expand Medicaid! Thats where the hole is...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#247
thank you, lost. I have tried to get people's attention on this several times on DU.
antigop
Nov 2013
#224
Have you checked the exchange and told your Insurance company you were considering leaving..
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#34
Believe it or not, some people don['t want the minimum bells and whistles. Maybe they don't need eye
WinkyDink
Nov 2013
#295
Well the states that didn't expand...will at some point get pressured by their
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#306
"While those folks count, so do everyone else." = "While those folks count, so do everyone else." nt
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#127
Muddling new social contract with personal insurance policies = a crucible for misunderstanding
HereSince1628
Nov 2013
#4
I think your post adds to the muddling. If you like the ACA, then why are you knocking it?
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#100
Anti-intellectualism is a basic feature of internet groups...I'm beyond it.
HereSince1628
Nov 2013
#117
Pointing out that the ACA will save 45,000 Americans each year is not "ignorant cheerleading."
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#175
Asking for details is bullying? And when they're not provided, questioning the motive of the poster
valerief
Nov 2013
#332
It's very "interesting," though, when DUers with very low post counts make these assertions.
Arugula Latte
Nov 2013
#12
Those people need to be told to look at ways to lower their AGI. It can be done and it is not
MADem
Nov 2013
#212
People living hand-to-mouth don't have to juggle. They're inside the lines, unless they're
MADem
Nov 2013
#299
the pitchfork brigade prefers to stifle non-conforming people via threat and accusation. nt
msongs
Nov 2013
#18
Self-righteous bullying. Some will decide they represent the side of righteousness
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#177
GD isn't a therapy group. It's where information, not feelings, are shared. nt
valerief
Nov 2013
#342
DU posts come up on google searches. They bring a person to DU. Why else would trollers post here?
valerief
Nov 2013
#346
damn. You are going on ignore. You are obviously a person I don't care to hear from.
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#355
A major issue I have is employer provided insurance precluding eligibility for subsidies.
Puzzledtraveller
Nov 2013
#13
Go to the exchange...price comparison...take that back to your current insurer.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#43
if that company changes ANYTHING in your plan...you can go to the exchange.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#77
I think we'll see working-class employers start dropping family policies
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#93
My first look at this for my daughter is that this is actually worse for her...
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#19
The Kaiser site doesn't indicate anywhere - I suspect she should get some kind...
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#49
so where is that number? there is no other way to run the calculator...
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#66
It's right there in words, subsidies are for those making between 100 and 400 times poverty level
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#91
just amazing. I know there must be countless people in her situation - it is not nearly a living
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#164
this is not a person who can afford to live by themselves in an apartment...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#75
she is 28 and living with a friend - we are helping her with rent. she can't even afford all of
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#80
No - she's had a tough life - overcome an eating disorder, really doing as well as possible
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#119
If you estimate too low, the worst case scenario is that she'll have to repay the tax credit...
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#83
They would not penalize her for estimating her income too high, only too low.
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#155
The government itself has said it would not consider it as such. There is documentation.
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#300
No it doesn't, technically or otherwise because those enforcing it said so.
stevenleser
Nov 2013
#317
yes, it is all quite sad. NC is just tossing people under the bus at an alarming rate these days.
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#72
I got my dad into growing heirloom tomatoes about 5 years before he passed away -
NRaleighLiberal
Nov 2013
#106
She qualifies for Medicaid, but if the state didn't extend it, she should also be able to get a
Yo_Mama
Nov 2013
#293
Likewise, how can we distinguish the phony people who just SAY they are winning?
NoOneMan
Nov 2013
#74
I wish people wouldn't be coy about providing their details when they claim they are losing out
MADem
Nov 2013
#32
That's just NOT true. You have reading skills, you can read a bill as well as anyone else.
MADem
Nov 2013
#79
You haven't even tried to understand it. You haven't read it. And what is "cruel" are your
MADem
Nov 2013
#138
Well, if you "understand it quite well," why don't you be a GOOD DUer, and HELP PEOPLE OUT
MADem
Nov 2013
#167
Well, the term is a common one--if you ever get over your reticence and visit the Hill,
MADem
Nov 2013
#207
If you lower your AGI, you qualify for the subsidies, that's the point I'm making. nt
MADem
Nov 2013
#286
no I don't actually...You make EXACTLY $100,000 is that what you are saying?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#165
and that is not true. $573 a month for the Bronze plan. $690 for the Silver Plan..or
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#234
I make considerably less than you...will not get a subsidy...and I am not
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#276
and I just left a job where I was paid $30,000 a year with an insurance deductible for
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#178
I didn't say I had a problem with the 20%....I was pointing out a fact..
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#279
You make over $100K and you want sympathy because your costs went up a little?
philosslayer
Nov 2013
#181
Well.... you may not want the boss to see just how smoothly things run without you.
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#118
I am the boss and I'm gratified to see how smoothly things run without me
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#123
If you are going to post a personal anecdote, then some corroborating details should be ok
scheming daemons
Nov 2013
#69
Obamacare is a wealth transfer from healthy and middle class to the sick and poor.
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#76
The 1% is always supportive of wealth redistribution in order to tamp down social unrest
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#188
That too, but I was thinking of the Democratic 1%ers like the Kennedys, FDR, etc.
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#197
FDR was a class traitor, kennedy was an affront to the "dignity" of regressives everywhere
datasuspect
Nov 2013
#200
FDR preserved the plutocracy; you haven't seen the Kennedys give away their fortunes
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#218
We ask less of our rich (including corporations) than virtually any other nation on earth.
Romulox
Nov 2013
#147
Nothing particularly, but Obamacare has been portrayed as a win for everybody, not a wealth transfer
FarCenter
Nov 2013
#184
I don't have the time or the inclination, but do you check these people's other posts?
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#125
People have been doing that--give me your details, I will help you....and the poster refuses.
MADem
Nov 2013
#152
Excellent suggestion. Thanks for the link. You're right, it can't be trotted out too often...
SunSeeker
Nov 2013
#183
Depends on what you call worse off. No pre-existing exclusions, no caps, often better coverage,
Hoyt
Nov 2013
#139
Conversely, I wish I wasn't told "well, hey, at least you got 'yours'" when I try to talk to them
ScreamingMeemie
Nov 2013
#151
Another thing that can make DU suck are people who are actively campaigning against the ACA under th
LanternWaste
Nov 2013
#158
we are all really afraid of losing benefits and this includes ACA/social security/medicare etc
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2013
#159
Nobody loses out. We all gain as individuals when our society becomes more humane and just.
factsarenotfair
Nov 2013
#186
There are many countries with universal health care where that is the case, and
factsarenotfair
Nov 2013
#239
The vast majority of ACA horror stories are fictional bull dung, made up for political effect.
DrewFlorida
Nov 2013
#206
It is hard to be one of those who is going to carry a larger burden.
searchingforlight
Nov 2013
#225
I sympathize, but as only 3% of the poorly insured population, they get waay too much media hype,
ancianita
Nov 2013
#228
agree! Those that "are worse off under it . . . do not deserve the rude and skeptical responses"
DrDan
Nov 2013
#232
Until we get the insurance companies out of the "business" of healthcare, there
tavalon
Nov 2013
#291
I fully support the ACA, but agree that those who have problems qualifying should be respectfully
davidpdx
Nov 2013
#320
The ACA is only an "intermediate step" if it fails and has to be replaced.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2013
#337
It provides a mechanism where the profitability of the insurance co.s can be squeezed...squeezed...
Nye Bevan
Nov 2013
#338
There are lots of bullies on DU and it is not just about ACA. I don't think I could continue to come
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#356