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Pholus

(4,062 posts)
64. Completely agreed.
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:30 AM
Nov 2013

I switched to Duckduckgo some time ago because of that. Not that that is any guarantee of course (certainly the NSA would WANT to give extra attention to the search engines that don't save the searches for them in their quest to be the ultimate nosy neighbor). Haven't wanted to switch to Tor yet, mostly because that is such a high profile thing that the NSA is certainly trying to undermine it and you will get an "extra special" notation in your record for having tried to keep off their radar. Thought about trying to hide my actual personality in Google keyword salting (randomly sending a volume of searches automatically just to hide what I actually am interested in) but that merely raises up your visibility at this point, too few people do it.

And no, I don't consider myself exceptionally paranoid. I don't think I have anything to hide, of consequence, nor am I high profile enough that anyone with a brain should particularly care about me. Then again, I don't know what TPTB's automated algorithms have TOLD them are of consequence and I know for a fact that I am well outside one standard deviation from the mean in most behavioral traits and opinions. And this stuff is CERTAINLY philosophically rooted in "different equals suspicious."

And that is what bothers me more than anything. Automated anomaly detection defines a mean and attaches a cost for deviating from the mean. What a way to force a compliant population over time. As this shit has already shifted from "terra" to "drugs" (Well documented in the NYTIMES so don't waste bits denying it is happening) it'll start dribbling down to everything else.

Erase their database and cut their funding back sharply so they are forced to concentrate on actual, relevant threats to national security.

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Thank you, I quite agree. bemildred Nov 2013 #1
The ABILITY to eavesdrop hasn't been my main concern... Pholus Nov 2013 #2
I actually think the metadata thing was them going out of their way. joshcryer Nov 2013 #5
Naw...consider their history! Metadata was a baby step. Pholus Nov 2013 #15
I'm going to make an admission no one would like. joshcryer Nov 2013 #19
Great post. Hopefully more people will read it... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #61
Completely agreed. Pholus Nov 2013 #64
The NSA has infiltrated TOR, too, so be aware. joshcryer Nov 2013 #66
"..The leaked documents.." which at this point could be coming from anywhere uponit7771 Nov 2013 #3
I knew SSL was compromised when they had REAL TIME FACEBOOK CHATS. joshcryer Nov 2013 #4
OK, so what are you bemoaning? intaglio Nov 2013 #6
I think it's more the fact that Google's top tech guys weren't aware. joshcryer Nov 2013 #7
Google's "tech guys" will have been well aware. intaglio Nov 2013 #10
I'd bet the Congress gives retroactive immunity. joshcryer Nov 2013 #13
Recursion doesn't stir up paranoia BainsBane Nov 2013 #8
+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #30
The military uses the Internet for secret and even top secret communications. RC Nov 2013 #33
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #9
The unethical experiments are now one reason that any researcher davidpdx Nov 2013 #14
From what I can tell (which isn't a lot) he's surprised at the capability BainsBane Nov 2013 #17
^^^ That Recursion Nov 2013 #41
Ethics flew out of the window Aerows Nov 2013 #49
Reading further, it appears Google wasn't encrypting internal traffic. joshcryer Nov 2013 #11
So are you saying NSA injected and "dejected" SSL on a plaintext stream? Recursion Nov 2013 #36
SSL was used from client->Google. joshcryer Nov 2013 #63
Fake clients, identity theft, pretending to be you and taking your stuff. bemildred Nov 2013 #65
All that's happening is that we're being informed about what's going on. delrem Nov 2013 #12
Thank You For Sharing And Expanding Your Perspective cantbeserious Nov 2013 #16
A conspiracy has Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #18
Another oddly framed mea culpa. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #20
Ditto Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #21
+1 Rex Nov 2013 #52
Frome the Article: KoKo Nov 2013 #22
You know why Greenwald did not lead with this. Anything he did lead with was going to be Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #23
It's funny how some around here were saying "GREENWALD AIN'T GOT SHIT bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #24
Hell, the 'Oh my God I found out Greenwald is gay' OP's go back to 2011, long before Snowden Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #25
I guess this confirms that our wager has been cancelled. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #26
Our wager was the "hypothetical pie in the sky" I mentioned, which I now admit exists Recursion Nov 2013 #35
Yep Aerows Nov 2013 #47
Thank you....for the record, we never did make that wager DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #60
I agree gopiscrap Nov 2013 #27
"Make No Mistake™... only by ending confidentiality can we strengthen confidentiality" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #28
Welcome to this side of the fence. riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #29
Marcy Wheeler has been working in this area too. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #31
You should assume that if it doesn't violate the laws of physics and is located outside the US... jeff47 Nov 2013 #32
Huh? Aerows Nov 2013 #37
It's always fun when people read things that aren't actually there jeff47 Nov 2013 #39
I quoted you Aerows Nov 2013 #43
And then you promptly launched into a discussion of something not in that quote. jeff47 Nov 2013 #45
Explain in 5 letters or less Aerows Nov 2013 #46
Perhaps you could explain the need to mirror it internationally jeff47 Nov 2013 #48
Uh-huh Aerows Nov 2013 #50
Yep, keep desperately trying to deflect jeff47 Nov 2013 #53
Another hint Aerows Nov 2013 #54
"Because instead of maintaining the servers, I write software for them" Aerows Nov 2013 #55
So we should trust your IT skills when you can't find the edit post link? jeff47 Nov 2013 #57
53? Aerows Nov 2013 #58
Apology Accepted hootinholler Nov 2013 #34
While Greenwald posting this first might have swayed you.. SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #38
good point questionseverything Nov 2013 #56
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #40
Kick LondonReign2 Nov 2013 #42
Look above Aerows Nov 2013 #44
thank Recursion! my own mea culpa nashville_brook Nov 2013 #51
Look it... ReRe Nov 2013 #59
When this story broke some here were not surprised that intellengence agencies might be overstepping rhett o rick Nov 2013 #62
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