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druidity33

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329. I understand LI... my family is still there.

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:37 AM

Nov 2013

My brother and his wife (a teacher & an administrator) make over 200 thousand a year (2 kids), he lives in the town he teaches at, she commutes. Their home with a TINY backyard, (nothing special, a 2 story ranch with 3 bdrms and 1.5 baths), is "worth" over 600 thousand dollars. They struggle with money/bills more than my wife and i do and we make just under 50 a year. The cost of living is obscene on LI. I haven't yet talked to him about what this is doing to his insurance, but maybe i'll call tomorrow. I haven't lived on LI in 20 years but i go back once a year for the Holidays... gotta say, i'm not sorry i got outta there while the gettin' was good. All my old haunts are long gone...

Good Luck, btw.

We'll figure out a way to address those problems... gotta think Positive.

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I wish people wouldn't be so rude to those who lose out under the ACA. [View all] Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP

DURec leftstreet Nov 2013 #1

Like this thread ---I supported the ACA, but my policy that I like is being cancelled because of it warrant46 Nov 2013 #37

Cool story, bro robbob Nov 2013 #103

If only we could have your duct tape we could fix a lot of things. L0oniX Nov 2013 #339

Hmm. Raine1967 Nov 2013 #129

Many DUer's wanted to help DanM or understand his situation, however Fla Dem Nov 2013 #205

exactly (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #211

Which helpful ones? Union Scribe Nov 2013 #322

Horshit I offered nicely and gave suggestions he hit and ran a typical example of false flag... Drew Richards Nov 2013 #368

And he will only share basic details about the policy with his friends. He only came to DU to... valerief Nov 2013 #330

If that person is that bad warrant46 Nov 2013 #347

Hear, hear. 1000words Nov 2013 #2

That very small segment of the population will be negatively adversely. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #3

Certainly outlets like Fox News are elevating these people, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #10

Which Anthem Lumenos policy? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #11

They are all being discontinued. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #25

What if you got sick or injured? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30

Ideally with the premiums being so low you would be able to save in an HSA. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #51

That's not nearly ACA compliant though. Not a mere difference geek tragedy Nov 2013 #61

That was just the highest OOP Lumenos policy. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #82

How many people have tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in a HSA? wryter2000 Nov 2013 #120

The idea is that you build it up over time. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #131

I'd be interested in seeing the math on that wryter2000 Nov 2013 #154

There are HSA plans in the ACA exchange. BlueStreak Nov 2013 #182

That kind of misses the point hueymahl Nov 2013 #140

All policies have to provide certain benefits to be sold in the ACA national exchange. The Wielding Truth Nov 2013 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #23

they are ALSO the people most in need of insurance.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #50

You have to provide more information.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #56

when I worked I made that amount. I could not afford to pay that much a month. How can anyone roguevalley Nov 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #68

But then you have no insurance. Nt onlyadream Nov 2013 #333

That is a good question to start asking State Governors! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #244

No they aren't....most didn't expand Medicaid! Thats where the hole is... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #255

thank you, lost. I have tried to get people's attention on this several times on DU. antigop Nov 2013 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #248

I know quite a few couples who fall in this category. NOT HAPPY. nt antigop Nov 2013 #251

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #260

I expected to pay more. Which I did not have a problem with. Glassunion Nov 2013 #24

Have you checked the exchange and told your Insurance company you were considering leaving.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #34

It's not so much the premiums, those are great. Glassunion Nov 2013 #59

Because its more comprehensive coverage... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #266

Believe it or not, some people don['t want the minimum bells and whistles. Maybe they don't need eye WinkyDink Nov 2013 #295

believe it or not.....Most people don't know what they need... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #297

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #301

it may be arrogant...but it IS true... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #302

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #304

Well the states that didn't expand...will at some point get pressured by their VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #306

No actually I am not. Glassunion Nov 2013 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #264

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #263

Men under 50 are affected adversely. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #70

everyone on that chart combined =6% of the population geek tragedy Nov 2013 #115

"very small" <> "of no consequence" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #121

"While those folks count, so do everyone else." = "While those folks count, so do everyone else." nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #127

Every human being matters, especially when they are sick. To dismiss sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #315

Muddling new social contract with personal insurance policies = a crucible for misunderstanding HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #4

Perfectly accurate and eloquently stated. Scuba Nov 2013 #29

Saving 45,000 Americans from dying each year is not a "chimera." nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #78

But the confusion is a pretty direct result of muddling. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #92

I think your post adds to the muddling. If you like the ACA, then why are you knocking it? SunSeeker Nov 2013 #100

You are, of course, entitled to whatever thoughts you can muster HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #105

Sorry that I was not as impressed with your word salad as some here. nt SunSeeker Nov 2013 #113

Anti-intellectualism is a basic feature of internet groups...I'm beyond it. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #117

There is no anti-intellectualism on DU that I can see. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #133

I use the word chimera and you complain HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #157

Pointing out that the ACA will save 45,000 Americans each year is not "ignorant cheerleading." SunSeeker Nov 2013 #175

Except it is a non sequitur...but that's word salad, so Never Mind! HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #180

Agreed. Wait Wut Nov 2013 #5

I don't agree with you much. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #6

one of the things that makes DU suck... mike_c Nov 2013 #7

It isn't limited to ACA 1000words Nov 2013 #8

yes, you're right.... mike_c Nov 2013 #16

Bullying is a good word for it. kiawah Nov 2013 #26

Fortunately, bullies are cowards leftstreet Nov 2013 #38

The hypocrisy is pretty stunning 1000words Nov 2013 #171

Asking for details is bullying? And when they're not provided, questioning the motive of the poster valerief Nov 2013 #332

It isn't even limited to one side of the ACA ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #267

It's very "interesting," though, when DUers with very low post counts make these assertions. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #12

you might recall that we've actually had "campaigns" on DU... mike_c Nov 2013 #22

the level of acrimony has increased exponentially warrant46 Nov 2013 #57

This happened to me onlyadream Nov 2013 #67

Also happened to me. Thirties Child Nov 2013 #141

I lived over there for many years OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #328

I remember those days. enlightenment Nov 2013 #98

Well Egnever Nov 2013 #316

Oh yeah kenfrequed Nov 2013 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #31

Without a doubt, plus BlueStreak Nov 2013 #192

Those people need to be told to look at ways to lower their AGI. It can be done and it is not MADem Nov 2013 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #243

Most people living hand to mouth qualify for subsidies. MADem Nov 2013 #287

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #298

People living hand-to-mouth don't have to juggle. They're inside the lines, unless they're MADem Nov 2013 #299

the pitchfork brigade prefers to stifle non-conforming people via threat and accusation. nt msongs Nov 2013 #18

wow...and now when they get sick...they can actually go to a doctor... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #40

Self-righteous bullying. Some will decide they represent the side of righteousness rhett o rick Nov 2013 #177

Yet a successful pecwae Nov 2013 #326

Are there any posts with *actual* details about the old policy and valerief Nov 2013 #331

ultimately, I don't think it makes any difference.... mike_c Nov 2013 #341

GD isn't a therapy group. It's where information, not feelings, are shared. nt valerief Nov 2013 #342

sure, but HOW people choose to do that says a lot about their character.... mike_c Nov 2013 #343

Disinformation campaigns suck more. nt valerief Nov 2013 #344

do you seriously think that "disinformation campaigns" about the ACA... mike_c Nov 2013 #345

DU posts come up on google searches. They bring a person to DU. Why else would trollers post here? valerief Nov 2013 #346

damn. You are going on ignore. You are obviously a person I don't care to hear from. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #355

Bookmarking 1000words Nov 2013 #369

This has been happening to me cilla4progress Nov 2013 #353

This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #9

A major issue I have is employer provided insurance precluding eligibility for subsidies. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #13

Yep, that is a horrible bug in the law, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #21

It was written as a feature not a bug when we had a Democratic House. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #172

We had a democratic house when this kludge was passed Doctor_J Nov 2013 #321

Go to the exchange...price comparison...take that back to your current insurer. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #43

What would I do with that? Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #71

if that company changes ANYTHING in your plan...you can go to the exchange. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #77

I think we'll see working-class employers start dropping family policies lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #93

In the same boat aroach Nov 2013 #240

+1 SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #14

Agreed. Throd Nov 2013 #15

I usually stay out of those threads... whttevrr Nov 2013 #17

+1 nt MADem Nov 2013 #35

+1 VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #44

My first look at this for my daughter is that this is actually worse for her... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #19

OH yes she does... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #46

The Kaiser site doesn't indicate anywhere - I suspect she should get some kind... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #49

Plug it in yourself here: VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #52

that's what I used...results below. bad news. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #55

Not medicaid....SUBSIDIES... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #62

so where is that number? there is no other way to run the calculator... NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #66

It's right there in words, subsidies are for those making between 100 and 400 times poverty level Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #91

Sorry I overlooked that part.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #97

just amazing. I know there must be countless people in her situation - it is not nearly a living NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #164

this is not a person who can afford to live by themselves in an apartment... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #75

she is 28 and living with a friend - we are helping her with rent. she can't even afford all of NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #80

So her MAGI is $8,700 aproximately? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #87

yup. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #88

is she going to school? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #112

No - she's had a tough life - overcome an eating disorder, really doing as well as possible NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #119

Maybe she should be thinking of disability? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #282

Not if the state declined medicaid expansion Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #280

At this point she's being asked to estimate her 2014 wages lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #53

grocery store part time - her salary has been flat for 3 years. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #58

If you estimate too low, the worst case scenario is that she'll have to repay the tax credit... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #83

They would not penalize her for estimating her income too high, only too low. stevenleser Nov 2013 #155

thanks. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #162

isnt that fraud? questionseverything Nov 2013 #202

The government itself has said it would not consider it as such. There is documentation. stevenleser Nov 2013 #300

technically it does because it makes them eligible questionseverything Nov 2013 #309

No it doesn't, technically or otherwise because those enforcing it said so. stevenleser Nov 2013 #317

confusing handmade34 Nov 2013 #54

it is really confusing - I ran the Kaiser thing - see above NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #60

That's the Medicaid Gap. 7% of those in that gap live in North Carolina Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #65

yes, it is all quite sad. NC is just tossing people under the bus at an alarming rate these days. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #72

I have many friends there. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #95

I got my dad into growing heirloom tomatoes about 5 years before he passed away - NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #106

This. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #99

She would have qualified for Medicaid if NC hadn't opted out. subterranean Nov 2013 #110

I know...so frustrating. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #114

This was because of the Supreme Court ruling, was it not? killbotfactory Nov 2013 #292

Yes, it was. subterranean Nov 2013 #311

She qualifies for Medicaid, but if the state didn't extend it, she should also be able to get a Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #293

It's an attitude I've seen on the H-1b visa issue jon10 Nov 2013 #20

cool OP, bro hfojvt Nov 2013 #28

Likewise, how can we distinguish the phony people who just SAY they are winning? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #74

I wish people wouldn't be coy about providing their details when they claim they are losing out MADem Nov 2013 #32

I wish the Democrats had been a little less coy leftstreet Nov 2013 #48

That's just NOT true. You have reading skills, you can read a bill as well as anyone else. MADem Nov 2013 #79

That's the ticket! Bash working class people! leftstreet Nov 2013 #94

Let's make some shit up, now, shall we? That IS what you're doing. MADem Nov 2013 #111

You're blaming people for not understanding ACA leftstreet Nov 2013 #126

You haven't even tried to understand it. You haven't read it. And what is "cruel" are your MADem Nov 2013 #138

I meant new users here leftstreet Nov 2013 #143

Well, if you "understand it quite well," why don't you be a GOOD DUer, and HELP PEOPLE OUT MADem Nov 2013 #167

yeah, yeah whatever n/t leftstreet Nov 2013 #258

Figures. Thanks for proving my point. nt MADem Nov 2013 #285

saying "Leader Pelosi" sounds north koreanish datasuspect Nov 2013 #187

YUCK? Are you completely unaware of Hill protocol? MADem Nov 2013 #198

no thanks! datasuspect Nov 2013 #201

Well, the term is a common one--if you ever get over your reticence and visit the Hill, MADem Nov 2013 #207

i'd rather be around human beings datasuspect Nov 2013 #210

Well, aren't you a charming bundle of bias! MADem Nov 2013 #213

10 roger on that one datasuspect Nov 2013 #215

Thank you for posting this. historylovr Nov 2013 #39

Well Said! cer7711 Nov 2013 #41

THANK YOU onlyadream Nov 2013 #42

more details please... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #47

Seriously???? onlyadream Nov 2013 #104

Are you making less than 400% of the poverty level for a family of 4? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #107

I said what we make. onlyadream Nov 2013 #109

OMG..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #124

Don't judge me onlyadream Nov 2013 #142

Lower your AGI. MADem Nov 2013 #203

Can't say that I didn't wonder about that onlyadream Nov 2013 #229

If you lower your AGI, you qualify for the subsidies, that's the point I'm making. nt MADem Nov 2013 #286

From what I am figuring... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #134

Wrong onlyadream Nov 2013 #149

no I don't actually...You make EXACTLY $100,000 is that what you are saying? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #165

Oh here we go onlyadream Nov 2013 #170

You are still in the 20th percentile... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #216

Yes I know. onlyadream Nov 2013 #220

Oy. onlyadream Nov 2013 #193

You are fortunate enough to be one of the 20th percentile... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #223

I guess we just can't agree onlyadream Nov 2013 #233

and that is not true. $573 a month for the Bronze plan. $690 for the Silver Plan..or VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #234

I don't know what your looking at. onlyadream Nov 2013 #249

Kasier Calculator... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #256

Still less than 10% of the $8333 you make per month. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #259

People who make 100k do not get to keep all of it. onlyadream Nov 2013 #272

No one keeps all of it...that is not JUST YOU! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #273

because Insurance is a GROUP thing.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #274

I make considerably less than you...will not get a subsidy...and I am not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #276

Okay, you win onlyadream Nov 2013 #283

LOL OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #334

So true... cilla4progress Nov 2013 #359

You might as well talk to a brick. ctsnowman Nov 2013 #319

Don't bother a2liberal Nov 2013 #324

I'm sure you don't believe that copays can be 50% onlyadream Nov 2013 #257

Max out of pocket for 4 people is $12,000 VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #261

Do you want to see the policy I had? onlyadream Nov 2013 #268

No way! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #270

according to your "Long Island" cost of living expenses... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #271

Without health insurance, VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #265

I can understand you onlyadream. michaz Nov 2013 #288

I understand LI... my family is still there. druidity33 Nov 2013 #329

Hey only - want you to know, cilla4progress Nov 2013 #358

and I just left a job where I was paid $30,000 a year with an insurance deductible for VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #178

if you are making 30 grand a year questionseverything Nov 2013 #241

I said WAS....not IS... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #242

whats long island zip pls? questionseverything Nov 2013 #278

I didn't say I had a problem with the 20%....I was pointing out a fact.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #279

.... questionseverything Nov 2013 #284

Plus deductibles and co-pays. progressoid Nov 2013 #150

You make over $100K and you want sympathy because your costs went up a little? philosslayer Nov 2013 #181

It's not a contest about who has it worse onlyadream Nov 2013 #208

No copay or deductible and half the cost of an ACA plan? Bullshit. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #122

I think you missed the part where all sick visits are out of pocket. onlyadream Nov 2013 #217

Oh, so you didn't actually have insurance, just something that pretended geek tragedy Nov 2013 #226

It worked for us onlyadream Nov 2013 #230

Faithfully proving the OP's point. morningfog Nov 2013 #352

Pretty sad that's what you consider a clever insult. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #362

What's sad is your perpetual rudeness. morningfog Nov 2013 #364

your sense of decorum is impeccable, on the other hand nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #365

Hilarious coming from a member of the very small club morningfog Nov 2013 #366

Fully agree. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #45

I think there will be quite a few people volunteering for a pay cut Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #73

Some. Perhaps. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #86

Well.... you may not want the boss to see just how smoothly things run without you. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #118

I am the boss and I'm gratified to see how smoothly things run without me lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #123

Thank you. Myrina Nov 2013 #63

+1 Rex Nov 2013 #64

If you are going to post a personal anecdote, then some corroborating details should be ok scheming daemons Nov 2013 #69

+1 SunSeeker Nov 2013 #85

But unless you post a notarized W2, it's not really "corroborated", is it? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #108

Sure it is. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #116

Well, I posted screen shots and am still called a liar. onlyadream Nov 2013 #335

Obamacare is a wealth transfer from healthy and middle class to the sick and poor. FarCenter Nov 2013 #76

Society is SUPPOSED to be a wealth transfer from the haves to the have nots. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #89

Good luck with that as the Democratic platform for 2014 FarCenter Nov 2013 #168

society is supposed to make benefit to the common weal datasuspect Nov 2013 #176

The 1% is always supportive of wealth redistribution in order to tamp down social unrest FarCenter Nov 2013 #188

the 1% is supportive of wealth redistribution to the 1% datasuspect Nov 2013 #190

That too, but I was thinking of the Democratic 1%ers like the Kennedys, FDR, etc. FarCenter Nov 2013 #197

FDR was a class traitor, kennedy was an affront to the "dignity" of regressives everywhere datasuspect Nov 2013 #200

FDR preserved the plutocracy; you haven't seen the Kennedys give away their fortunes FarCenter Nov 2013 #218

FDR's policies datasuspect Nov 2013 #222

The 'redistribution of wealth' talking point from an ACA basher. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #132

+1 scheming daemons Nov 2013 #146

That's what real societies do. The one's that last, anyway. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #144

We ask less of our rich (including corporations) than virtually any other nation on earth. Romulox Nov 2013 #147

I'm no fan of the ACA, but this "wealth transfer" bullshit is laughable. Maedhros Nov 2013 #163

What's wrong with that particularly treestar Nov 2013 #166

Nothing particularly, but Obamacare has been portrayed as a win for everybody, not a wealth transfer FarCenter Nov 2013 #184

Note that the large majority of those complaining have post counts under 500. trumad Nov 2013 #81

I don't have the time or the inclination, but do you check these people's other posts? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #125

Didn't that take like 37,000 posts? JoePhilly Nov 2013 #219

I check post counts. trumad Nov 2013 #221

So what? 1000words Nov 2013 #252

It doesn't work that way Fumesucker Nov 2013 #281

Maybe. . . StrayKat Nov 2013 #294

Oh yes, lots of landmines on the DU Fumesucker Nov 2013 #296

Haha! StrayKat Nov 2013 #303

Very astute observations 1000words Nov 2013 #305

yeah right newbie trumad Nov 2013 #307

lol 1000words Nov 2013 #308

Insurance is always a pooling of resources. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #84

The cut-offs for subsidies are cruel, I agree. passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #214

There will be the 3% who have to pay more but arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #90

Epistemological closure Prism Nov 2013 #96

The refrain I'm seeing from liberal corners Maedhros Nov 2013 #174

If we can get the house back Prism Nov 2013 #254

proposal: set up a new topic group for ACA advice/assistance 0rganism Nov 2013 #102

I believe the admins have already shot that idea down. Three times. MADem Nov 2013 #128

they could just re-title an existing forum 0rganism Nov 2013 #148

We have one--it's called General Discussion, and it's doing the trick. MADem Nov 2013 #156

disagree -- if GD were doing the trick we wouldn't have this thread 0rganism Nov 2013 #179

You think the trolls would stay away from a "health" or ACA group? MADem Nov 2013 #194

yeah, they probably would, at least short-term 0rganism Nov 2013 #310

They'd go to the "Health" group and play the wide-eyed innocent. Count on it. MADem Nov 2013 #314

In many cases, it's deserved. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #130

But instead of posting "cool story bro" Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #135

Exactly!! Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #145

People have been doing that--give me your details, I will help you....and the poster refuses. MADem Nov 2013 #152

Excellent suggestion. Thanks for the link. You're right, it can't be trotted out too often... SunSeeker Nov 2013 #183

Everyone is 100% better...... cynzke Nov 2013 #136

I unequivocally support the demise of medical underwriting. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #137

I remember seeing people getting checks with the premiums returned treestar Nov 2013 #169

Depends on what you call worse off. No pre-existing exclusions, no caps, often better coverage, Hoyt Nov 2013 #139

Conversely, I wish I wasn't told "well, hey, at least you got 'yours'" when I try to talk to them ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #151

It isn't just discussions on ACA that bring on the DU bullies. redstatebluegirl Nov 2013 #153

Another thing that can make DU suck are people who are actively campaigning against the ACA under th LanternWaste Nov 2013 #158

we are all really afraid of losing benefits and this includes ACA/social security/medicare etc La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #159

How do they really lose out? treestar Nov 2013 #160

It doesn't mean it doesn't hurt or scare them passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #235

It's far scarier not to make much money treestar Nov 2013 #245

Those who crap on the few that the ACA hinders Riftaxe Nov 2013 #161

You used an important phrase: "Healthy people" BlueStreak Nov 2013 #173

Or the interesting double standard. progressoid Nov 2013 #185

Nobody loses out. We all gain as individuals when our society becomes more humane and just. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #186

Nicely stated. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #199

Thank you. :) factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #209

"I don't want to be a rich man in a poor country." passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #237

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #250

Next time I need to see a doctor, I'll point that out. winter is coming Nov 2013 #236

There are many countries with universal health care where that is the case, and factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #239

+1 treestar Nov 2013 #246

Oh that's rich... taught_me_patience Nov 2013 #189

Consoled and comforted? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #195

LOL. SunSeeker Nov 2013 #227

Me too. StrayKat Nov 2013 #191

as I mentioned in a reply earlier passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #253

No, I don't see this. StrayKat Nov 2013 #275

we will continue to receive spotty coverage and care passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #354

No. StrayKat Nov 2013 #357

I'm afraid you will need to clarify your reply passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #360

You first. StrayKat Nov 2013 #361

Apparently you don't want to enter into a real discussion passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #370

A discussion? StrayKat Nov 2013 #371

I'm sorry if you took my tone wrong passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #372

Response StrayKat Nov 2013 #374

I think we are on the same side with a few exceptions passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #376

Spotty Coverage and Care StrayKat Nov 2013 #375

very well said, Stray Cat. Thank you for your articulate post cynannmarie Nov 2013 #323

Thanks, Cynannmarie. StrayKat Nov 2013 #336

One of my friends is adversely effected neffernin Nov 2013 #204

The vast majority of ACA horror stories are fictional bull dung, made up for political effect. DrewFlorida Nov 2013 #206

BINGO! I had a right-wing co worker tell me he would retire B Calm Nov 2013 #327

It is hard to be one of those who is going to carry a larger burden. searchingforlight Nov 2013 #225

Thank you searchingforlight... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #269

I sympathize, but as only 3% of the poorly insured population, they get waay too much media hype, ancianita Nov 2013 #228

Thank you. aroach Nov 2013 #231

agree! Those that "are worse off under it . . . do not deserve the rude and skeptical responses" DrDan Nov 2013 #232

...and those who are not should not receive a "well you got yours..." ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #238

civility on both sides is warranted DrDan Nov 2013 #325

The lose-out-ers SHOULD NOT be rude EITHER. Festivito Nov 2013 #262

^^k&R^^ nt Progressive dog Nov 2013 #277

+1,000 nt MADem Nov 2013 #289

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #363

I admire you but I don't think you can change the tone here Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #290

Until we get the insurance companies out of the "business" of healthcare, there tavalon Nov 2013 #291

Do you have links to some of these "rude" threads? Nine Nov 2013 #312

I agree. grantcart Nov 2013 #313

One step at a time IronLionZion Nov 2013 #318

I fully support the ACA, but agree that those who have problems qualifying should be respectfully davidpdx Nov 2013 #320

The ACA is only an "intermediate step" if it fails and has to be replaced. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #337

It provides a mechanism where the profitability of the insurance co.s can be squeezed...squeezed... Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #338

I don't know enough about it yet. davidthegnome Nov 2013 #340

This message was self-deleted by its author Zavulon Nov 2013 #349

I couldn't agree more. Zavulon Nov 2013 #350

Sorry to hear this passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #373

Tell it! cilla4progress Nov 2013 #351

There are lots of bullies on DU and it is not just about ACA. I don't think I could continue to come liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #356

Thank you for saying this, Nye Bevan. City Lights Nov 2013 #367