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ljm2002

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45. And I agree they are too damned good...

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:08 PM

Nov 2013

...at the job they were designed to do.

It is quite apparent at this stage that any legal restrictions we put on them will be inadequate, because as you say it is so easy to suck up data these days, and they will do it anyway. They were also designed to be very, very good at covert actions.

We need to devise technical solutions rather than legal ones. Individuals should have access to encryption that is easy to use, universal and hard to crack, such as AES 256. Also architectures like Torrent, that mask network hops and make it much harder to track traffic. There is a peer-to-peer router proposed by McAfee that looks interesting, although from what I can tell it doesn't hop on the Internet but just creates a sort of instant LAN.

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British Accuse David Miranda, Glenn Greenwald's Partner, Of 'Terrorism' [View all] Hissyspit Nov 2013 OP

I guess that's all they have left. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #1

They need more? nt Cryptoad Nov 2013 #24

Are they winning? nt bemildred Nov 2013 #25

They sure do if they accusing journalists of terror is all they've got. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #56

Nobody could have anticipated that the state would expand the definition Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #2

Heh. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #3

+1. jsr Nov 2013 #14

Shouldn't they lock up Blair and Cameron first? malaise Nov 2013 #4

And yet they didn't arrest him... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #5

You know, I've had criminal clients walk from their first interview thinking msanthrope Nov 2013 #11

That's a fair point... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #21

Carrying stolen documents procured from a person charged with espionage msanthrope Nov 2013 #27

Still seems a stretch to deem it "terrorism"... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #30

Blocking a pipeline or exposing animal mistreatment counts... dougolat Nov 2013 #43

Yes that about covers it. n/t ljm2002 Nov 2013 #47

I think you are focusing on what could be done with the documents...as opposed to msanthrope Nov 2013 #61

Uh, no... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #64

I'm not understanding your point. He msanthrope Nov 2013 #67

Was Snowden or Greenwald charged with espionage... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #70

Snowden was charged in June. I suspect Greenwald has been charged under seal. msanthrope Nov 2013 #73

My question was... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #83

How about the Guardian? Or the NY Times? Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #74

I think you extrapolate poorly. Miranda was carrying stolen documents through msanthrope Nov 2013 #79

Nope. The Guardian not only was in possession of these terrorist docs Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #84

The OP.posted that he had GCHQ docs. It helps if you read the OP. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #86

Which he got from the NSA. So no. He didn't take anything Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #89

That's a stunning bit of American exceptionalism there. Well done. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #90

Idiotic. If my friend gives me a bike and then someone subsequently steals that bike... Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #93

Um, no...it's more like, if my friend gives me an intelligence assessment and msanthrope Nov 2013 #96

That most certainly is NOT terrorism. antigone382 Nov 2013 #87

If they communicated about the trip Savannahmann Nov 2013 #76

Brazil has them under surveillance. The NSA knew the trip was upcoming... msanthrope Nov 2013 #77

They didn't arrest him precisely BECAUSE they defer to the press. randome Nov 2013 #29

Really? ljm2002 Nov 2013 #31

I agree the word 'terrorism' is quite a stretch. randome Nov 2013 #36

And I agree they are too damned good... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #45

You have to keep something in mind, though. randome Nov 2013 #51

Yes all of that is true... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #53

It may soon reach the point where all of us have secure communications. randome Nov 2013 #85

Thanks... ljm2002 Nov 2013 #88

But a bug on him and follow him around to collect more data? Rex Nov 2013 #62

Somehow I don't think that's what happened. n/t ljm2002 Nov 2013 #65

Just a possibility. Rex Nov 2013 #66

If you're breathing, you're a terrorist. Of course.. truth2power Nov 2013 #6

Is there another link? Moe Shinola Nov 2013 #7

The link below works Tx4obama Nov 2013 #81

i guess it was only a matter of time before nashville_brook Nov 2013 #8

Your link is broken. Also...Miranda was stupid enough to go through Britian with stolen msanthrope Nov 2013 #9

And that makes it terrorism? Hissyspit Nov 2013 #10

Well, flying through Britian whilst in possession of materials stolen from GCHQ is msanthrope Nov 2013 #18

Jeez. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #22

It may be a stretch but look at it objectively. randome Nov 2013 #38

I have absolutely no problem looking at anything objectively Hissyspit Nov 2013 #57

But that isn't the point, is it? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #28

^^ This ^^ and they're using Miranda tblue Nov 2013 #41

I agree, JDPriestly. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #58

Well, yes. It is about intimidation. What flabbergasts me is the utter stupidity of msanthrope Nov 2013 #60

You mean they had the goods on him and let him walk? zeemike Nov 2013 #35

I haven't declared anyone guilty of anything. And the police selectively enforce the law msanthrope Nov 2013 #59

"with stolen GCHQ documents?" zeemike Nov 2013 #68

Miranda isn't the thief though. He's the lowest rung on the ladder. msanthrope Nov 2013 #71

Well that explains why banksters don't go to jail zeemike Nov 2013 #78

Where have you been? But don't make the mistake of thinking Snowden and Greenwald msanthrope Nov 2013 #80

Oh I have been as low as you go in society zeemike Nov 2013 #82

This is the behavior of fascism. woo me with science Nov 2013 #12

This disturbs me more than some of the more egregious Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #17

it's to garner public resentment towards the man fascisthunter Nov 2013 #20

Whereby the Brits prove they are as unhinged @ Snowden and Greenwald as the US riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #13

The only one who used that word was Greenwald. stonecutter357 Nov 2013 #15

Um, what? Hissyspit Nov 2013 #16

flipping ideological authoritarian fanatics fascisthunter Nov 2013 #19

Terrorism? lol LittleBlue Nov 2013 #23

'disclosure...influence a government...promoting political cause' leftstreet Nov 2013 #26

The Brits have lost all subtlety. QuestForSense Nov 2013 #32

actually all are "lap-dogs" of the global private central banking network, spawned from The City Snowfield Nov 2013 #42

I do see a pattern. QuestForSense Nov 2013 #52

Really important addition to this story! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #95

British and terrorism and false accusations go back PatrynXX Nov 2013 #33

I guess they don't have to read him his Miranda rights. L0oniX Nov 2013 #34

Be very afraid. The Empire strikes back. Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #37

Al Qaeda Terrorists Pass US Special Forces, CIA Agents on Way to Syria Snowfield Nov 2013 #39

My mind can barely deal with these facts at a distance, let alone in reality. This should be an OP. libdem4life Nov 2013 #44

++ nt dougolat Nov 2013 #49

This is excellent work. Jawdropping nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #94

Citizens - The Enemy Of Every State cantbeserious Nov 2013 #40

England does know that Brazil was just a movie, right? DJ13 Nov 2013 #46

The corrected version of "Ports Circulation Sheet" lofty1 Nov 2013 #48

Waiting for "Journalistic Terrorism" to be DirkGently Nov 2013 #50

and yet the poodle still walks free.... mike_c Nov 2013 #54

So does Cheney and his lackey Dubya. Rex Nov 2013 #63

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #55

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #69

Oh good god. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #72

Crazy. Having possession of info that may influence a Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #75

How did "terrorism" come to have nothing to do with "terror"? Nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #91

That's a very important point that has seems to have been overlooked. Quantess Nov 2013 #92