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ScreamingMeemie

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77. My opinion, for what it's worth...

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:32 PM

Nov 2013

Does this person vote for Republicans? Or Democrats?

Does this person actively campaign for anti-choice legislation?

Does this person make it a habit to bring up anti-choice rhetoric in all of their postings?

Are they actively disrupting DU?

I do know people of this mindset (I am related to some) who vote Democratic every election because they are whole-picture voters.

The Democratic Party platform used to be "legal, safe, and rare..." which is where I think a lot of this thought process comes from.

I don't think one should be automatically banned from DU for being anti-choice any more than I think pro-cop shooting 13-year-olds, or anti-sharing health insurance costs people should be.

However, if it is their reason for being here, then DU might not be for them.

If it is the poster I am thinking of, I went about 42 rounds with them the other night, and that behavior was, in my opinion, disruptive.

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Opinions please [View all] boston bean Nov 2013 OP

Isn't this like a witch hunt? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #1

No it is not a witch hunt. boston bean Nov 2013 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #73

What Ohio Joe said. n/t demmiblue Nov 2013 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #86

Objecting to the removal of civil rights from half the population is censorship? Warpy Nov 2013 #139

Agreed. Hayabusa Nov 2013 #184

Well, it's like a witch hunt in a world where witches are real and evil. Deep13 Nov 2013 #81

No... It's About Freedom... And About NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #166

I am extremely pro-choice, however... zappaman Nov 2013 #3

The postings were no woman should have the choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #7

I misunderstood? zappaman Nov 2013 #11

Yes, you misunderstood. boston bean Nov 2013 #18

Well, by the same token, religions oppose gay rights. So can someone be a Democrat Squinch Nov 2013 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #63

Ok, so you want to to be able to advocate banning abortion and overturning roe v wade? boston bean Nov 2013 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #91

I'm calm and not in the least hysterical. boston bean Nov 2013 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #110

I asked you if you felt it should be discussed here. You need to go back and re read. boston bean Nov 2013 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #135

So, you want anti choice bullshit posted here on DU. Ok, now you've answered my question. boston bean Nov 2013 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #138

Anti choice rhetoric is not civil. That's where skinner went wrong, IMHO. boston bean Nov 2013 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #145

It is denigrating, the entire stance is a denigration on women's autonomy. boston bean Nov 2013 #146

It is a dangerous and repressive opinion. We don't tolerate a lot of bullshit and right wing morningfog Nov 2013 #220

You mean anti-choice, not pro-life. morningfog Nov 2013 #219

She is referring to those that are ANTI-choice. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #93

I might ask how one can be a liberal when holding an ANTI-choice POV. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #113

Is there ANY room for debate when it comes to CHOICE? cleanhippie Nov 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #137

It would seem you are arguing for LIMITED-choice. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #150

We are discussing anti choice. Which means wanting to ban abortion. boston bean Nov 2013 #153

What is there to discuss that would support an ANTI-choice viewpoint? cleanhippie Nov 2013 #216

Are you pro choice? boston bean Nov 2013 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #151

"What about women who use abortion as birth control" What kind of statement is that? icymist Nov 2013 #225

It is disturbing... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #64

The entire site is built around censorship... Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #69

Bless you eternally. Squinch Nov 2013 #79

+1 nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #105

+1 daleanime Nov 2013 #156

First Amendment does not give one the right... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #96

No but there is a rule "against" posting RW views. malokvale77 Nov 2013 #134

We are generally only confronted with hard core RW opinions until MIRT tombstones Zorra Nov 2013 #190

It seems to me there are plenty of right wing view points that are allowed and quite loud NoOneMan Nov 2013 #180

a Democratic County chair hfojvt Nov 2013 #232

Skinner gave the answer in the thread to which you linked Cirque du So-What Nov 2013 #5

The answer he gave, more or less, was that someone could advocate that half the population Squinch Nov 2013 #51

How is your self determination not limited by all laws? hfojvt Nov 2013 #229

If you are equating laws against minors smoking and drinking, and laws about seatbelts Squinch Nov 2013 #230

they are equal hfojvt Nov 2013 #240

Not reading your post. They are not equal. Have a nice night. Squinch Nov 2013 #241

you had to reply? hfojvt Nov 2013 #245

Here I walk on thin ice. Laelth Nov 2013 #6

I think we have lost a lot of ground on reproductive choice - in some states there is no where, bettyellen Nov 2013 #13

I don't deny that this battle is ongoing. Laelth Nov 2013 #21

The problem with that 20 year change is that Ilsa Nov 2013 #231

" on all the significant social issues in America, the left has already won" Aerows Nov 2013 #27

I will, in fact. Laelth Nov 2013 #29

I don't deny that Aerows Nov 2013 #199

I haven't seen that, but I would find it disturbing. Autumn Nov 2013 #8

"This is an important women's right that is under attack by the RW and it should not be acceptable bettyellen Nov 2013 #14

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #9

Your opinion means a lot to me. This response by Skinner has made me Squinch Nov 2013 #54

I agree. procon Nov 2013 #85

I see why you're shocked. haikugal Nov 2013 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #72

Excuse me? haikugal Nov 2013 #104

Then why have Community Standards at all? cleanhippie Nov 2013 #108

I'm with Skinner on this one tkmorris Nov 2013 #12

I am not advocating an auto ban of anyone. boston bean Nov 2013 #17

That IS what you advocated though isn't it? tkmorris Nov 2013 #30

I wrote "anti choice view points should not be welcome here". boston bean Nov 2013 #34

I don't understand the nature of your response tkmorris Nov 2013 #37

Do you think there are racists on DU? Do you think there are homophobes posting on DU. boston bean Nov 2013 #41

I agree with you 100% laundry_queen Nov 2013 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #120

Choosing an opinion is not pro choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #140

Seems to me that the person who chooses choice over limiting choice isn't forcing an opinion. boston bean Nov 2013 #149

There is a difference between being troubled by the concept of abortion and being anti-choice. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #32

Exactly. Advocating a legislative ban of a medical procedure is the problem Cal Carpenter Nov 2013 #39

Exactly!! haikugal Nov 2013 #43

If being ANTI-choice is not auto-bannable, what other extreme RW views are ok? cleanhippie Nov 2013 #116

Kind of like being a homophobe Aerows Nov 2013 #206

Well to be honest, nothing surprises me anymore. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #15

I feel that way about defending a surveillance/police state and predatory economic policies woo me with science Nov 2013 #16

Then perhaps you should start a thread on that. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #45

You mean like anyone that supports the police state zeemike Nov 2013 #83

I totally agree with you. Anti choice rhetoric should be a TOS violation. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #19

Seeking to abolish our right to choose is clearly a RW republican position. Zorra Nov 2013 #20

Being anti-abortion isn't right-wing Prism Nov 2013 #22

This thread is about anti choice, which is a rw position, not a left/democratic position. boston bean Nov 2013 #23

I read the OP correctly Prism Nov 2013 #24

So? That doesn't mean those opinions should be debated here. boston bean Nov 2013 #26

I don't think it's an outrageous thing for a Democrat to believe Prism Nov 2013 #55

Catholic Democrats, based on the teachings of their religion, Squinch Nov 2013 #213

You say you know liberal Democrats who are anti abortion. DLevine Nov 2013 #31

Being anti choice is every bit as deplorable as racism and homophobia. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #33

No. It isn't. Prism Nov 2013 #48

Tell that to the families of the women who will die DLevine Nov 2013 #49

That's why these discussions are poop Prism Nov 2013 #52

Unless you've been through an Isoldeblue Nov 2013 #165

Being ANTI-choice is EXACTLY the same a being racist or bigoted. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #71

Anti choice is a RW position. DLevine Nov 2013 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #87

That is not an anti-choice example Bradical79 Nov 2013 #128

That is not an accurate description of what choice means in this context. Squinch Nov 2013 #214

Sexism and misogyny chervilant Nov 2013 #36

I could Prism Nov 2013 #50

Oh, really? chervilant Nov 2013 #94

Yes! 100% n/m Isoldeblue Nov 2013 #194

But by the same token, to paraphrase you, who are they to disagree with me Squinch Nov 2013 #61

Well said Squinch...Thanks haikugal Nov 2013 #119

Do we really want MagnumUK Nov 2013 #25

On issues of women having control of their own bodies, yes, I do want an echo chamber. boston bean Nov 2013 #28

Merely by being DEMOCRATIC Underground, it's bound to be something of one. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #44

"we"? H2O Man Nov 2013 #57

DUers have gored all my oxen. If you hold on to one around here, it will get gored, too. HereSince1628 Nov 2013 #35

You're undoubtedly aware that chervilant Nov 2013 #38

It was more the blessing from admin that's it's ok as long as a poster is respectful and doesn't boston bean Nov 2013 #62

Well, it's not okay, under chervilant Nov 2013 #107

I don't think pro-life/anti - choice people should be allowed to post here. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #40

I agree. I think supporting (or at least, not openly opposing) CHOICE ought to be a basic Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #42

Exactly. cyberswede Nov 2013 #247

Democrats respect the rights.... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #46

This!! ^^^^ haikugal Nov 2013 #47

And another put on ignore Savannahmann Nov 2013 #53

Perhaps you should read the Democratic Party platform boston bean Nov 2013 #56

^^^This^^^ malokvale77 Nov 2013 #97

I will second the ^^^this^^^. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #112

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #117

Those are "not" liberals malokvale77 Nov 2013 #152

On DU? If so please show us some links...... Little Star Nov 2013 #208

*snap* "The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right Zorra Nov 2013 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #67

This site is entirely too tolerant of right-wing talking points on just geek tragedy Nov 2013 #173

The key difference is... Freddie Nov 2013 #58

Exactly. And that line might be my line in the sand here. Squinch Nov 2013 #66

I can definitely get behind this. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #60

You are not understanding and I say that respectfully. boston bean Nov 2013 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #89

It is not pro choice. If there is only one choice given there is no choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #103

Wanting to ban abortions is a one way choice. Therefore that is not part of pro choice. boston bean Nov 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #130

And this thread is about those who want to ban abortion. boston bean Nov 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Nov 2013 #143

Anti choice persons. I guess I'd have to hear your definition of pro life before I would agree. boston bean Nov 2013 #144

The person in question advocated a law to take away choice. malokvale77 Nov 2013 #162

Read post #56. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #114

IMO, anti-choicers/forced birthers do not have a place on a democratic/liberal board. n/t demmiblue Nov 2013 #68

It's one thing to be against the concept of abortion for religious reasons,... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #75

My opinion, for what it's worth... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #77

What is the name of the witch we seeketh to burn? Seriously...this is useless without a link. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #80

I'm less interested in the witch we seek to burn - Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #198

I agree...without links/posts, these threads are speculative and useless. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #201

Here... A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #202

Oh yeah...that one...tangled with her before... msanthrope Nov 2013 #228

This was Skinners response: AAO Nov 2013 #84

Well, I used to be right-to-life, but have been pro-choice for a long time. Deep13 Nov 2013 #88

Not a burning issue to me quinnox Nov 2013 #90

I think the Admin statement merits parsing... whttevrr Nov 2013 #99

There had to be at least fifty posts arguing it. boston bean Nov 2013 #102

I hope it was not a thread I skipped to the bottom to reply... whttevrr Nov 2013 #131

The LINK: A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2013 #109

Yeah, I passed on that thread when I saw it. whttevrr Nov 2013 #163

Hi Boston bean. i have seen a poster openly admit and espouse views against abortion fascisthunter Nov 2013 #101

I guess maybe it's because I find the opinion to be in the same league boston bean Nov 2013 #106

you are correct... handmade34 Nov 2013 #125

my opinion... handmade34 Nov 2013 #115

While I am pro- choice, I know quite a few dems TxDemChem Nov 2013 #121

Are there any lines you would draw? DLevine Nov 2013 #132

I don't think I could draw any lines. TxDemChem Nov 2013 #189

IMO pro choice is not pro abortion tavernier Nov 2013 #124

Good post! nt caledesi Nov 2013 #129

Sad facts question everything Nov 2013 #141

we should never ignore handmade34 Nov 2013 #159

Yeah. No. What we're talking about here is not something that should just be allowed Squinch Nov 2013 #223

My husband is as strongly pro-choice as I am. RiffRandell Nov 2013 #235

Speaking for myself personally, Isoldeblue Nov 2013 #154

In general, unless an opinion is suddenly made for disruption Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #155

But admin has given the ok as long as it's respectful and the poster isn't doing it all the time. boston bean Nov 2013 #160

Isn't that standard admin policy? leftstreet Nov 2013 #167

Is what a standard admin policy? I can only speak to what I have linked to in the OP. boston bean Nov 2013 #168

Oh, I mean the auto-banning leftstreet Nov 2013 #174

Not that I am aware. But what other rights that dems support is there such understanding of those boston bean Nov 2013 #179

If someone were to come in and make an occasional racist or homophobic comment, Squinch Nov 2013 #224

The one who calls other women here "murderers"? Adds nothing worthwhile. REP Nov 2013 #157

Yep. That one. The same one who parses whether Squinch Nov 2013 #226

Should we ban Roman Catholics in general? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #158

No. boston bean Nov 2013 #161

Why not? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #170

Why should they? boston bean Nov 2013 #172

Why shouldn't they? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #175

You asked if they should and I said no. Why would you ask? boston bean Nov 2013 #181

I didn't ask NoOneMan Nov 2013 #182

Woops. I need to know they asked to expound further. I guess you are out of luck. boston bean Nov 2013 #183

I've never thought about it, but every other position in the world is debated on this board NoOneMan Nov 2013 #169

I would hope it would be one, ie on the lines of boston bean Nov 2013 #171

Have you read the Terms of Service? nt DLevine Nov 2013 #176

Have you read threads here justifying torture, spying, libertarian economics, droning, etc.... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #177

Just as an example, DLevine Nov 2013 #178

Ok, so social issues are off limits? Right Wing Economic and Military policy still ok? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #185

I don't make the rules. It's not my site. DLevine Nov 2013 #187

It's probably a reflection of the party leftstreet Nov 2013 #188

Undoubtably that's part of it NoOneMan Nov 2013 #191

By all means you should start a thread on that topic. Squinch Nov 2013 #227

I guess Jimmy Carter would be banned here then? oberliner Nov 2013 #186

Seems like jimmy carter as president accepted roe v wade as law of the land. boston bean Nov 2013 #192

So did George W Bush oberliner Nov 2013 #193

No the point of the post was persons espousing anti choice rhetoric. boston bean Nov 2013 #197

He wanted to change the Democratic Party platform oberliner Nov 2013 #242

It shouldn't be part of progressive thought at all LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #195

I AM NOT a breeding slave. Jasana Nov 2013 #196

why is it mercuryblues Nov 2013 #200

It is frustrating gollygee Nov 2013 #203

Of all the things in the world that I have to worry about rrneck Nov 2013 #204

You didn't read the op did you? boston bean Nov 2013 #205

I don't care what you linked to rrneck Nov 2013 #209

Thanks for your help and guidance. Whatever would I have done without it. boston bean Nov 2013 #210

Exactly the same as if I had never posted a word. rrneck Nov 2013 #211

My comment concerning many who are against abortion is they dwell on the stereotype. haele Nov 2013 #207

Our wonderful "Big Tent"... Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #212

Especially RW positions that deny people civil rights gollygee Nov 2013 #215

The tent needs to be burned down and re-pitched. morningfog Nov 2013 #218

I think Skinner is wrong. There is no such thing as an anti-choice progressive. morningfog Nov 2013 #217

Okay, I'll go for it... Jasana Nov 2013 #221

I understand why some people feel abortion is murder ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2013 #222

Being anti-choice should be bannable. Absolutely kcr Nov 2013 #233

Whoever the admins want to keep on their site is their choice. But if someone is going to rail hrmjustin Nov 2013 #234

There is no context in the thread you linked to goldent Nov 2013 #236

Well maybe you should take the admins word for it. boston bean Nov 2013 #237

I thought you were questioning the decision of the admins? goldent Nov 2013 #238

You aren't following along very well and have missed the point. boston bean Nov 2013 #239

oh well goldent Nov 2013 #246

I agree with Skinner Vattel Nov 2013 #243

Jimmy Carter could be considered anti-choice philosslayer Nov 2013 #244