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sabrina 1

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71. I expect Politicians to be ethical and moral. Sorry you

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 10:32 AM

Nov 2013

don't. We got what we expect and that is why the country is in the mess it's in because of this kind of 'message' from those who care only about winning.

Well, those days are over now for the millions who reluctantly held their noses and 'gave it a chance' and now see the results of that very flawed thinking.

Aim for the sky and you might hit a tree. Your way, just aim for the tree, and we know what that got us.

Maybe for some what's under the tree is really what they want, and the highest they are aiming for is that.

But for most Progressive Dems, we've seen ENOUGH. Those tactics won't work anymore, I remember falling them during the Bush years, now I see the mistake that was.

I will be aiming for the sky until we drag this government out of the gutter it is currently in for most people.

You do as you wish.

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Before we jump for joy that moderate Republicans are switching to the Dem Party... [View all] cui bono Nov 2013 OP

how many are actually switching? I'm not convinced that it's enough to make any cali Nov 2013 #1

Many others have said that davidpdx Nov 2013 #22

As far as I can see those republicans are coming from blue dog states, and it would be a major lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #2

We cannot prevail without them. That's the hard reality of it. randome Nov 2013 #3

Crist as Gov of Florida does nothing for our Congressional majority and you have to own Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #24

And you're talking about one case. randome Nov 2013 #29

Exactly. What is now a moderate Republican used to be middle/right Republican. cui bono Nov 2013 #43

But that's the excuse the Republicans used Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #31

I think the Democrats lost their moxie BECAUSE Republicans expanded so well. randome Nov 2013 #33

I'd rather tell them to fuck off. Chan790 Nov 2013 #38

Except for the last two, I agree with you. randome Nov 2013 #50

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #65

when a party represents a majority quaker bill Nov 2013 #4

I know what you mean. postulater Nov 2013 #5

Exactly. treestar Nov 2013 #11

Here is your 'Moderate' Charlie Crist on Palin's superiority to Obama. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #25

Short term thinking DireStrike Nov 2013 #21

Chicken or egg? quaker bill Nov 2013 #56

Products of the System...of the Behemoth required to respond to 12 or 13 million voters. Yes. libdem4life Nov 2013 #83

Well said. Captain Stern Nov 2013 #39

I'd rather they stay and pull their own party away from the edge than pull ours more to the right. Scuba Nov 2013 #6

that graphic if true, would only prove there are no voters over there treestar Nov 2013 #12

The graphic represents our elected officials, not the voters. Scuba Nov 2013 #13

You win the day for illogical statements. treestar Nov 2013 #14

The voters, who were offered a choice betwee a right-winger, and a far-right-winger. Scuba Nov 2013 #16

How did that choice come about? treestar Nov 2013 #17

C'mon, you're not really that naive, are you? Scuba Nov 2013 #18

If not naive, I'd hate to think of the alternative. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #54

Do you not think voters in the primaries treestar Nov 2013 #58

stop, just stop. lol BootinUp Nov 2013 #82

in serious conversations with the serious people who write serious checks... nashville_brook Nov 2013 #28

So whose fault is that? treestar Nov 2013 #59

You're ignoring the known reality among political scientists... Chan790 Nov 2013 #41

Yes, and I would add to that that as the Dem party's values get more centrist cui bono Nov 2013 #42

Or that the voters chose was they did? treestar Nov 2013 #60

You are wrong on this. I have to guess your point because you choose to rhett o rick Nov 2013 #53

You are making my brain hurt BootinUp Nov 2013 #77

+ a zillion Tents can be TOO big. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #36

^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Nov 2013 #80

Don't worry RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #7

Not, they will be a tiny minority treestar Nov 2013 #15

If they will walk across the aisle now and give DEMs a majority in the House, then good. SDjack Nov 2013 #8

It's Part Of Their Plan....... global1 Nov 2013 #9

I would say they've already done that Oilwellian Nov 2013 #27

I don't think the repubs planned it. I think they lost control of the baggers. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #87

Never trust these switchers until they've developed a progressive track record. Period. ancianita Nov 2013 #10

That was my thought too. zeemike Nov 2013 #19

And we're already way to close to that scenario in a presidential race for my comfort. n/t cui bono Nov 2013 #44

Where have you been? TBF Nov 2013 #20

+1. jsr Nov 2013 #35

Hell, Obama is barely a Democrat! I never said he was progressive. cui bono Nov 2013 #46

per OP heaven05 Nov 2013 #23

Until there is some mechanism in place... Blanks Nov 2013 #26

After the (R)s fall apart the (D)s will split too. Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #30

Why the two party system sucks. wildeyed Nov 2013 #32

Yeah and since the Romney funders are backing dems against the teabaggers they will mucifer Nov 2013 #34

Well, we can have a majority in Congress (by way of a 50-state strategy) Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2013 #37

The first thing many of them do is try to get the Dem party to be more like the republican party. Zorra Nov 2013 #40

You're right, our massive majority in the House means we should stop reject geek tragedy Nov 2013 #45

You had me at "you're right". cui bono Nov 2013 #47

So it's about 'winning' but not about issues them? Here's what we will do sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #67

What you overlook is that they are politicians and will move left after geek tragedy Nov 2013 #68

Oh please, now I trust them even less, if that is true. Anyone sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #69

I trust politicians to behave like politicians. Start from there and you'll predict geek tragedy Nov 2013 #70

I expect Politicians to be ethical and moral. Sorry you sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #71

Politicians get people to vote for them. It's what they do for a living. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #72

This IS a majority left/liberal country. I am not going to continue to sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #73

If this was a majority liberal country, you'd have 40-50% saying Obama is not liberal geek tragedy Nov 2013 #74

Um, this is NOT a country that voted for Bush in 2004! sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #75

Where exactly? IronLionZion Nov 2013 #48

In general. It just seems like every day there's another Republican switching because of the crazies cui bono Nov 2013 #49

yup gopiscrap Nov 2013 #51

just plain stupid to say this beachbum bob Nov 2013 #52

I'll take a Progressive Democrat over any Republican, moderate or sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #66

Thank you. nt dflprincess Nov 2013 #55

No kidding DJ13 Nov 2013 #57

i want enough to switch to take the speakers gavel away from Boehner scheming daemons Nov 2013 #61

They should stay in their own party and try to reign in the extremists. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #62

Yep. Especially since we still have a ton of leftover Bush appointees in various positions cui bono Nov 2013 #64

Yeah, we don't need them brush Nov 2013 #63

Another way to look at it BootinUp Nov 2013 #76

What do you mean it going to? ,,,,,, INdemo Nov 2013 #78

Farther to the right - get a move on. jwirr Nov 2013 #79

It's a good switch to make. gulliver Nov 2013 #81

How many R to D converts could realistically be replaced with an acceptably progressive "real" D? brooklynite Nov 2013 #84

I only vote for progressives. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #85

Better to have them inside the tent, pissing out, than outside the tent, pissing in. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #86