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tblue37

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29. I teach college, and while I believe tuition rates, textbook costs, and
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:15 PM
Nov 2013

many other college costs are a racket, I am also appalled at the carelessness of students who take on the debt. I know one boy, 23 years old now, who took out $80,000 in loans over 3 semesters, but because of poor attendance ended up flunking out--even though he is bright and capable. For example, he earned an "A" in one class, but it was converted to a "D" because of poor attendance. That sort of thing happened to him in other classes, too, but in many classes he not only lost points for nonattendance, but also because he did badly on exams. He didn't learn material covered in class, didn't do a lot of the assigned readings, etc.

I also see many students in my freshman English courses who are so unprepared for college level work that I know they can't maintain a passing GPA, so the loan money they take out for their first 2 or 3 semesters is a complete waste.

Many students also don't recognize the loans as real money or real debt. That is part of why they keep taking out more loans, even when it is obvious that they are not likely to be able to pay their debt. But it is also a large part of why they don't take on part time jobs and why they spend extravagantly rather than trying to be even a little bit frugal.

I know one girl who ended up with $1000 more in loan money than she needed for her expenses one year. Instead of saving it for the next year's expenses, she decided to have an "adventure." She had never been to a casino, so she went to one and gambled away the entire $1000 in one short evening!

I also am appalled by kids from families of limited means who refuse to start out at jucos, where they can earn about 2 years' worth of credits while paying about 1/2 the cost per credit, and while saving money while living at home or sharing an apartment with friends to save on living expenses. And since jucos have such flexible class schedules to accommodate adult students and people with families and jobs, the student could have a part time job while taking a full class load, or take a part time class load while working a full time job.

I asked one desperately indebted student why she had come to the university her freshman year, when her older sister had wisely gone to juco for two years before transfering to the university. She said she wanted to enjoy the FULL college experience, including sports, sorority life, parties, etc.

Oh, and there was a student in my class a year ago whose GPA was destroyed by her having to work two jobs--one full time, one part time. She never slept (except in class, when she managed to attend, which was only about half the time), never had time to do homework, and was constantly sick from stress and exhaustion.

But she was in a sorority, dang it, and she wasn't going to give that up, even though she openly admitted she couldn't afford it!

She ended up having to leave the sorority, because they have a GPA minimum, and eventually she had to drop out of school, too, because she couldn't maintain the even lower GPA required to stay in school.

Too many kids go deeply into debt--and many parents foolishly go into debt, too--when the kids are too academically unprepared and too immature to handle college level work or to carefully handle their finances so they don't have to keep borrowing more and more and more.

For a variety of reasons, each year approximately 20%-25% of all first-year students across the country fail to complete their first year of college. Although the debt they rack up during their brief time in college is disastrous for many of them, in a way they are the lucky ones, because they leave school before they have had a chance to rack up the level of debt their peers who stay in school end up taking on.

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Student Loan Debt... [View all] Agschmid Nov 2013 OP
Never had student debt PasadenaTrudy Nov 2013 #1
I was extremely lucky gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2
nice concerning the debt beachbum bob Nov 2013 #4
yeah, but it could have been so much worse gopiscrap Nov 2013 #5
Same here... KansDem Nov 2013 #10
I agree with you gopiscrap Nov 2013 #16
At the next DU meetup, I'll buy you a beer... KansDem Nov 2013 #22
sounds cool gopiscrap Nov 2013 #25
Kansas City KansDem Nov 2013 #28
I went to college in my late 30's and incurred around beachbum bob Nov 2013 #3
Question... Agschmid Nov 2013 #7
the field i was i had worked in beachbum bob Nov 2013 #19
Makes a big difference then huh? Agschmid Nov 2013 #23
yep it does. beachbum bob Nov 2013 #26
Being self-righteous doesn't win you friends duffyduff Nov 2013 #9
Easy loans Inspired Nov 2013 #13
Doesn't explain the situation for non-traditional students who have debt duffyduff Nov 2013 #17
People have to be ruthlessly realistic when it comes to student debt. Igel Nov 2013 #36
I think I was too sheltered... Agschmid Nov 2013 #45
tough to watch beachbum bob Nov 2013 #24
I teach college, and while I believe tuition rates, textbook costs, and tblue37 Nov 2013 #29
Thanks for the thoughtful response. Agschmid Nov 2013 #37
I have a friend who is in a low earning career. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #40
I'm in graduate school. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #6
It took me pretty much 10 years sharp_stick Nov 2013 #8
My daughter is on a 25 year payment plan. Inspired Nov 2013 #11
Elementary Ed is a VERY bad major because of the glut of people in it duffyduff Nov 2013 #15
Other. 10+ years, never had student debt. trackfan Nov 2013 #12
Back when I graduated from college (1968) Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #14
It's like another world now! Agschmid Nov 2013 #18
to true but this is beachbum bob Nov 2013 #21
I know. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #41
Which is how it ought to be treestar Nov 2013 #58
I was lucky Aerows Nov 2013 #20
My husband paid my way through college in the mid-'90's and it was ... Tikki Nov 2013 #27
I had tons of part time and temp jobs when I was first out of school shenmue Nov 2013 #30
Good job! I am close to done... Agschmid Nov 2013 #31
My wife's situation is Broken_Hero Nov 2013 #32
My dad paid for my college. Union plumber. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #33
I'm 68 years old. There were no student loans when I went to college. MineralMan Nov 2013 #34
I'm still working on the last bits of a bachelor's degree, and paying off loans bhikkhu Nov 2013 #35
I'll be paying this off forever. a la izquierda Nov 2013 #38
Hang in there kiddo. You're paying it forward as much as back. nolabear Nov 2013 #43
I know... a la izquierda Nov 2013 #51
the bad news is.... mike_c Nov 2013 #44
This is a little off topic, but... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #47
I had to take out some... a la izquierda Nov 2013 #48
Ouch. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #49
I was kidding about the marriage part. a la izquierda Nov 2013 #50
Other. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #39
Paid as I went. But I went mostly as a working adult. nolabear Nov 2013 #42
I had to pay back the VA $900 because of their overpayments to me. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #46
My dad was a Marine (wwii, korea, and vietnam); mom became a real estate agent peacebird Nov 2013 #52
I had a small loan Turbineguy Nov 2013 #53
Mostly grants for me, some loan. roamer65 Nov 2013 #54
Still paying... CFLDem Nov 2013 #55
only took out loans the last 2 years of my doctorate.... drthais Nov 2013 #56
I had 20K of debt treestar Nov 2013 #57
you are correct. kids are taken advantages advantage beachbum bob Nov 2013 #59
For my first degree, a BA awarded in 1980, phylny Nov 2013 #60
Other: More than 10 years out of school, never had any debt. MadrasT Nov 2013 #61
max debt allowed was only 9500 when i went to school in the 80s Liberal_in_LA Nov 2013 #62
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