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joshcryer

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63. Post-leftism.

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 04:24 AM

Nov 2013

By definition.

Its critique of identity politics and "victimization culture" would be rejected by most leftists here. Yeah, it's that extreme. But it is leftist and it makes very good points.

Now if you're talking about American left wing politics, it's really more center left. The most extreme would maybe be gun control, a full ban on guns or registration for all guns. There's really no other extreme position that at least some on the right would embrace.

Anti-pollution? Well the right wing might shit on the national parks and have stupid ass ideas, but everyone wants their cities clean.

Pro-choice? Let's be realistic, there are so many cases and we all know of them in our immediate circles of right wingers getting the day after pill or getting an abortion for their younger daughter who wasn't educated on contraceptives (or was taught abstinence). It might not be publicly expressed, but it's the reality.

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What would you describe as being the most EXTREME Left wing position? [View all] Bandit Nov 2013 OP

Extreme relative to other Americans treestar Nov 2013 #1

extreme is not an opinion hfojvt Nov 2013 #25

^ this ^ nt oldhippie Nov 2013 #51

Apparently you think their constituents want Social Security cuts eridani Nov 2013 #66

+1 Scuba Nov 2013 #68

They might treestar Nov 2013 #85

Oh, please!! Even the vast majority of Teabaggers are opposed to Social Security cuts! n/t eridani Nov 2013 #94

What they THINK their constituents want... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #96

How do you think any of the victories that were won, Gay Marriage eg, sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #79

No, but they didn't get it until they'd convinced, or facts in life had convinced treestar Nov 2013 #86

They would have gotten there SOONER had MORE people had the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #90

Extreme is when you want to take their money back. bemildred Nov 2013 #2

It's OUR money. It belongs to WE the PEOPLE. hunter Nov 2013 #21

We quite agree. bemildred Nov 2013 #24

Ok North Carolina Knigh Nov 2013 #98

"Sharing" is what makes human society work. hunter Nov 2013 #115

I have no argument with that line of thinking North Carolina Knigh Nov 2013 #119

If their education was free, why not? hunter Nov 2013 #122

Left wing extremism MagnumUK Nov 2013 #3

Not me Caretha Nov 2013 #99

i would say... scheming daemons Nov 2013 #4

yeah that's about what I would say kydo Nov 2013 #8

thus Anarchists.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #26

Who are super awesome NoOneMan Nov 2013 #103

or think they are.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #107

Please insert anti-anarchist rant here NoOneMan Nov 2013 #108

I know YOU do! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #114

I would call that sensible not extreme libtodeath Nov 2013 #88

because you are extreme scheming daemons Nov 2013 #91

Its only been here for 200 years or so... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #104

mandatory gay marriage paid for by taxing churches nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #5

Paid for by seizing and selling off the assets of the churches. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #52

And making the churches into legal brothels RobertEarl Nov 2013 #57

and the F�te de la Raison! Chan790 Nov 2013 #93

Common sense, to conservatives that's very very extreme uponit7771 Nov 2013 #6

That private property should be illegal n/t DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #7

"Exteme left wing" is a false narative... 99Forever Nov 2013 #9

Bullpucks. Skidmore Nov 2013 #34

What gets called "extreme left wing" around here these days... 99Forever Nov 2013 #36

I think some of the stuff that appears on forum boards needs to be disregarded and Skidmore Nov 2013 #37

Skiddie Caretha Nov 2013 #100

And your post is a fine example of what Skidmore Nov 2013 #118

we know extreme is misused DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #42

We have those on the right, of course, bombing health clinics and shooting up airports and Olympics Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #80

^^This^^ Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #75

Ain't that the truth whatchamacallit Nov 2013 #87

In my perfect world war would be illegal randr Nov 2013 #10

Even in 1939? MagnumUK Nov 2013 #11

Bullet in the head? grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #28

The league of nations was formed following WWI and generally ignored randr Nov 2013 #49

supporting an overtly Marxist-Leninist political party that advocates the imminent Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #12

opposing "entitlement reform" Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #13

Thesis, antitheses, synthesis LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #74

The so-called Leftist platform agent46 Nov 2013 #14

I like all these goals tiredtoo Nov 2013 #39

An end to capital punishment, I would add. No DUplicitous DUpe Nov 2013 #55

I agree with your list. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #78

There is no one most extreme position intaglio Nov 2013 #15

I think you're right. It's just that the "extreme left" hardly even exists in this country. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #50

I do not agree about individual choice having potential for coordinated population control, Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #81

You forget that eugenics was, largely, a liberal conception (no pun intended) intaglio Nov 2013 #84

Nationalize banks, healthcare, energy, utilities, transportation leftstreet Nov 2013 #16

Rights for anyone other than white men and environmental protection are extreme... polichick Nov 2013 #17

Extreme left positions are what are claimed as "moderate" victories when achieved. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #18

No personal property. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #19

heh...no personal property? FINALLY AN EXCUSE TO USE OTHER PEOPLE'S TOOTHBRUSHES!!! penultimate Nov 2013 #30

The specific argument the person was JoePhilly Nov 2013 #38

Does that mean I wouldn't be able to use other people's toothbrushes? penultimate Nov 2013 #43

"No private property" doesn't necessarily mean "no possessions" (Lennon notwithstanding). nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #53

(some) Communists indeed advocate for "no personal property" of ANY kind DireStrike Nov 2013 #77

Socialized medicine. LWolf Nov 2013 #20

Anything that seeks fairness where corps and the 1% are involved is extreme to both parties. polichick Nov 2013 #22

There are no extreme left wing positions of any significance. rrneck Nov 2013 #23

I don't consider things like gun control to be left/right. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #27

I would note that any position supported by the majority can not, by definition, be extreme; these grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #29

oh. ok, this should be interesting.. 2banon Nov 2013 #31

Institute voter ID requirements for all Republicans, Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #32

Adopt policies of pol pot on point Nov 2013 #33

Facts, evidence, and research. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #35

it's the same revolutionary shit Jesus used to blabber about. elehhhhna Nov 2013 #40

Amen... Phentex Nov 2013 #72

To me 'extreme left' would mean believing that the private sector should not exist ... LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #41

Forcibly nationalize Apple and either execute or imprison Tim Cook. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #44

Depends if you are talking about policies that are proposed by political figures Revanchist Nov 2013 #45

I think extreme lancer78 Nov 2013 #46

That's some extremely vague rhetoric, lacking in enough specifics to have any meaning other than Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #83

It would be a dismantling of Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #47

Probably the "nobody should be able to afford living expenses" dolts from a few years back Posteritatis Nov 2013 #48

That our government owes something to the citizens of this nation. Motown_Johnny Nov 2013 #54

Left position = Federally funded elections. Extremely Left Position = Guaranteed livable income Vincardog Nov 2013 #56

It's extreme because the status quo is being challenged. haele Nov 2013 #58

Science BainsBane Nov 2013 #59

No you are not, but that is not shocking nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #60

Nothing of what what passes for left wing discussion in this country is very extreme. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #61

IMHO LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #62

Post-leftism. joshcryer Nov 2013 #63

The government taking control of all means of production eridani Nov 2013 #64

The most extreme LW position is the maximum wage jmowreader Nov 2013 #65

I would think destroying the means of production and abolishing all wages/work would trump that NoOneMan Nov 2013 #112

Comparatively few leftists want to do that; nationalization seems to be about as far as we go there jmowreader Nov 2013 #117

Nationalize Heath, Energy and Finance (A national infrastruce bank). Which I am for Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #67

I agree with this. But this seems more NECESSARY than extreme. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #69

You have a point, shows how far right we've fallen. Since that would be considered Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #71

Making the Bush tax cuts permanent RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #70

$10/Gallon Gasoline seveneyes Nov 2013 #73

What leftist has this position? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #113

No names, it's just been suggested in the past seveneyes Nov 2013 #120

What this guy said: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #76

I used to think I was a moderate. Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #82

+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #97

Common ownership of all property. dawg Nov 2013 #89

Guaranteed monthly base-income at or above cost-of-living. Chan790 Nov 2013 #92

kittens for everyone La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #95

there is nothing extreme about the left wing gopiscrap Nov 2013 #101

Extremely left Drale Nov 2013 #102

It is not the position, but where you TAKE that position. chemp Nov 2013 #105

hmmm, thinking of ecosystems as having rights Vattel Nov 2013 #106

Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, everyone being equal under the law. Very extreme left wing. LiberalArkie Nov 2013 #109

I don't know what you mean by left wing... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #110

Well, if you call expecting food, clothing, shelter and healthcare extreme... ananda Nov 2013 #111

Trees Before People. Xithras Nov 2013 #116

Taxing the wealthy at Nixonian levels. Crunchy Frog Nov 2013 #121

I struggle to understand the meaning of the "spectrum". sibelian Nov 2013 #123