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KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
6. real wages (buying power) have been declining since 1979
Mon Nov 4, 2013, 07:52 AM
Nov 2013

now the birthrate has declined to below a replacement rate. While the article focuses heavily on the stock market, the bigger share of real wealth is in real estate and the future of real estate looks pretty poor.

Declining demand -- fewer kids, fewer families -- and declining ability to pay have to lead to a decline in real estate values. Trillions of dollars in value reduced by even 5% is trillions lost. The 30-year mortgage is an American creation which seems designed to keep people paying interest throughout their working career. The grand bargain was that you worked your ass off for 30 years and then you can retire without house payments. What really made this work was that houses used to go up in value. So if one bought a house in 1983 for $60,000, one would pay about $100,000 over the 30 years but would have a house that is today worth $140,000 or so.

But what if home values continue flat or decline? Add in damage from more frequent hurricanes or the turbulence of cities abandoned by government and banks (Detroit) and you have a financial black hole. If the price of oil spikes again, you have a shift in real estate values because homes that are more expensive to heat or to commute from may become un-workable. Detroit is the first modern ghost town in America. Unfortunately it will not be the last.

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And if you are in the top 10% . . . TomClash Nov 2013 #1
If they don't kill you 99th_Monkey Nov 2013 #26
Shhhhh . . . TomClash Nov 2013 #38
"Fail, America, Fail." - Republicon Starve-the-Beast Freaks (R) Berlum Nov 2013 #2
Here's a little fact to tell a Republican living on Soc Security reformist2 Nov 2013 #3
Is that true?? A Little Weird Nov 2013 #4
If the federal minimum wage applied in all states, that would be quite true. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #31
Thanks for the explanation A Little Weird Nov 2013 #35
Exactly. Furthermore I loathe the insinuation in that post that says seniors are doing so well duffyduff Nov 2013 #39
Right. Whereas the minimum wages is that -- the minimum. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #40
ok, at 40 x $7.25 x 4.3 (weeks in a month) Bohunk68 Nov 2013 #13
citing an "average" most certainly does NOT mean that "half are below." magical thyme Nov 2013 #17
Nope. Myrina Nov 2013 #21
oops! yikes.... magical thyme Nov 2013 #36
The highest Social Security benefit is about $3,300 per month. Nobody gets $10,000 per month. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #32
Actually, you are thinking "Median". rgbecker Nov 2013 #18
Except that Social Security benefits top out at, if I recall correctly, about $3,300. And very few JDPriestly Nov 2013 #41
I couldn't find it either, but if you.... rgbecker Nov 2013 #42
The median and average are so close because the difference between the highest and lowest JDPriestly Nov 2013 #44
The point is that 160 hours of work per month ought to amount to more than a Soc Security check. reformist2 Nov 2013 #23
they'll take care of that, by reducing SS benefits Skittles Nov 2013 #25
In my mom's case, Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #28
It does in many states. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #33
Actually, it's about the same: JDPriestly Nov 2013 #29
We need the opposite dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #5
Yes, the "payroll tax holiday" dotymed Nov 2013 #7
real wages (buying power) have been declining since 1979 KurtNYC Nov 2013 #6
The 700,000 of us Detroiters would beg to differ, but I suppose I get your point. marmar Nov 2013 #11
I grabbed Detroit because so many are familiar with it but KurtNYC Nov 2013 #16
That is good for the environment. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #30
We won't be able to sell our home for a while for any decent price. eilen Nov 2013 #12
What scares me is that I am not hearing any vision for the future. KurtNYC Nov 2013 #15
Obama himself said the jobs are not coming back. grasswire Nov 2013 #27
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #8
k/r marmar Nov 2013 #9
The Oligarchs And Corporations Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Nov 2013 #10
Democrats included, they are almost all bought off! Dustlawyer Nov 2013 #14
I think it is part of the zombie fascination making the rounds. raouldukelives Nov 2013 #19
Corporate thieves, corporate fascists. nt woo me with science Nov 2013 #20
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the blue links of death is looking for you! nt xchrom Nov 2013 #24
Mmmm. Some mighty fine tea they must be drinking in DC. nt adirondacker Nov 2013 #37
K & R. dchill Nov 2013 #34
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