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DissidentVoice

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64. "Liberal" has become a slur because WE HAVE ALLOWED IT TO become one!

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 10:50 AM

Nov 2013

One of Rush Limbaugh's many and manifold offences has been the creation of "liberal" as a slur.

One of our biggest failings is allowing this to happen, virtually without a fight. Hence the replacement of the term with "progressive," which is now being given the same status, in part due to Glenn Beck.

I piss off a lot of RW people online because I do not run from the term "liberal"...nor do I run from "socialist!"

It's quite hilarious to see their responses - telling me to get out of "their" 'Murica, move to Russia/China/North Korea/Cuba, calling me one of "Lenin's useful idiots," telling me I should be tried for treason, stripped of my citizenship...I've even had threats of physical harm, but I don't take them seriously. Very, very few keyboard commandos have the time/resources/knowledge/wherewithal/guts to trace me down, and even fewer would have the intestinal fortitude to come to my front door and face me.

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Why moderates are so often bad news [View all] cali Nov 2013 OP

+1. These people are not going to go away because of appeals to "moderation". DireStrike Nov 2013 #1

Thanks to "moderates", this is what we now have in Washington ... Scuba Nov 2013 #2

Thanks for reposting this WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2013 #110

Me thinks that donkey belongs a tad-to-a-goodly bit to the right of where depicted indepat Nov 2013 #111

There aren't any moderate Democrats, either Demeter Nov 2013 #3

? There aren't any radical Democrats.... truebluegreen Nov 2013 #35

About 100 fire breathers BobbyBoring Nov 2013 #107

I don't know, but boy hey howdy would I like to see that! truebluegreen Nov 2013 #109

Question about the definition of a moderate. Laelth Nov 2013 #4

I think it is hard to define what a moderate is cali Nov 2013 #5

You and I have both been called purists in the past. Laelth Nov 2013 #12

So name the hard right wing positions you would accept in a candidate to prove you are no 'purist' Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #9

The official teaching of the Catholic church springs to mind nxylas Nov 2013 #16

What has the RCC have to do with politics and politicians? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #18

I was giving an example of how someone could be conservative on some issues and liberal on others nxylas Nov 2013 #29

Why are you attacking a fellow DU'er? Very rude approaching Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #72

Good answer beerandjesus Nov 2013 #42

As, I suspect, are a lot of Catholics nxylas Nov 2013 #56

It's well known that most Catholics disagree with the Church's stance on birth control beerandjesus Nov 2013 #60

are you pro-ssm or anti gm? Doctor_J Nov 2013 #98

Not sure I understand the question.... beerandjesus Nov 2013 #125

Personally, I am not heavily invested in the social/cultural issues you mention. Laelth Nov 2013 #17

So you would sell out your neighbor's rights to prove you are not a purist? You don't care about Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #19

We have already won on those issues. Laelth Nov 2013 #23

We have not already won those issues, right now in the Senate they are debating a bill that would Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #30

I am not dismissing your complaints. Laelth Nov 2013 #32

I am so with you on this. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #116

You have not answered ONE of the questions asked of you. This indictes a lack of respect. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #129

I have no interest in "fighting" with you because you are an ally of mine. Laelth Nov 2013 #130

I asked you several specific questions and you ignored them. Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #134

I will support you in your attempt to see the national consensus translated into law. Laelth Nov 2013 #135

NO WE HAVE NOT. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #84

+1 Rex Nov 2013 #97

Purist is not a "made up" word in this context Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #70

'Purist' IS a made up word to attack Liberals with. It, like many others, comes from sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #126

A moderate position on abortion treestar Nov 2013 #54

That's my deffinition BobbyBoring Nov 2013 #108

overwhelming majority of voters hold a potpouri of opinions scheming daemons Nov 2013 #6

I specified that the op was about Congress cali Nov 2013 #8

You mean the center on gay marriage and marijuana has moved right since 1950? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #74

Only our political representation has moved right. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #118

Marriage equality and marijuana reform have progressed because of activists who never stopped Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #128

So the Moderates are willing to stand up and say 'we elected GW Bush'? Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #11

But what is the "centre?" DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #15

Hear, hear! truebluegreen Nov 2013 #38

But that's exactly what it is - support for the Status Quo leftstreet Nov 2013 #73

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #123

There's no moderate position on abortion in congress Major Nikon Nov 2013 #7

du rec. xchrom Nov 2013 #10

There are so few Democrats left DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #13

"Moderate" = accepting the far-right position most of the time BlueStreak Nov 2013 #14

Moderates are not "bad news" oberliner Nov 2013 #20

it appears as if you didn't even read the op cali Nov 2013 #24

Appearances can be deceiving oberliner Nov 2013 #45

Thanks! I agree! Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #77

2K and fucking R lonestarnot Nov 2013 #21

Blaming moderates for the Democrats wimpiness is not going to do anything Snake Plissken Nov 2013 #22

Sad but damn true. We need to understand what happened in 2010..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #103

people tend to vote on 1 or 2 issues they hold dear n2doc Nov 2013 #25

I missed the larger "moderate" thread, reflection Nov 2013 #26

Great encapsulation of the issue. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #76

Recommend jsr Nov 2013 #27

The Barack Obama Twitter account... Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #28

+100 truebluegreen Nov 2013 #39

+1. Laelth Nov 2013 #71

So you believe in fiscal irresponsibility? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #78

In times like these, yes. Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #81

You are actually arguing that Keynsian deficit spending IS fiscally responsible Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #82

I'm on record as seeing the Fed as useless Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #106

dishonest to the max. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #85

and you know this how? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #86

You are right. nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #119

The only thing in the middle of the road is yellow stripes and dead armadillos-Jim Hightower hobbit709 Nov 2013 #31

In the past, I considered myself a "moderate" and "independent" mountain grammy Nov 2013 #33

I think that's true of a lot of people progressoid Nov 2013 #55

"Liberal" has become a slur because WE HAVE ALLOWED IT TO become one! DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #64

I think the "moderate" position on abortion is "safe, legal and rare". Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #34

Disagree in spades. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #40

You're not familiar with the DU "fuck rare" crowd? It exists. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #43

2 is a crowd? truebluegreen Nov 2013 #50

Read the whole threads. Many posters have the "fuck rare" philosophy. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #62

My position is "fuck the politicians" regarding this issue, truebluegreen Nov 2013 #65

And mine is "fuck the politicians who are trying to ban abortion", Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #67

"rare" is a paternalistic judgemental edict that implies abortion is wrong. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #122

Ted Kennedy was paternalistic and judgmental? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #131

yes. Oddly enough he was not perfect nor a saint. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #132

Yes, as it happens I do. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #133

yes you have the words of a triangulation specialist using the carefully constructed phrase her Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #140

A "triangulation specialist" who you will most likely be voting for in November 2016. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #144

I've been voting for repulsive center right Democratic candidates since Carter. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #146

At some point you will probably need to tone down the "Hillary is repulsive" stuff. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #147

I agree gopiscrap Nov 2013 #36

Moderates are nothing but political chickens! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #37

The only thing Congress fels 'moderate' about is 'fair' tax rates for the wealthy! dmosh42 Nov 2013 #41

Moderates are people with political commitment issues. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #44

A coalition party *must* insist on a degree of purity. Marr Nov 2013 #46

Sane is the new moderate. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #47

"Crazies on the left" could hold their conventions in a phone booth. bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #53

A really giant phone booth, maybe nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #61

Is someone who supports the execution or imprisonment of Tim Cook, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #69

Moderates were once known as Conservatives leftstreet Nov 2013 #75

Talk about false equivalence. cui bono Nov 2013 #113

Example: Cynthia McKinney left the party geek tragedy Nov 2013 #124

So you consider them crazy? Liken them to Teabaggers? cui bono Nov 2013 #136

Want an example of a left idea that has no basis in reality? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #137

Even if I agreed with you, that's not even close to Teabaggerdom. cui bono Nov 2013 #138

It's not false equivalence. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #142

I am very pro-Choice but intaglio Nov 2013 #48

they can be good news alc Nov 2013 #49

Moderation can be a great thing, under the right circumstances, which aren't the circumstances... Silent3 Nov 2013 #51

The right wing is not in the least willing to be moderate! treestar Nov 2013 #52

Exactly right! ljm2002 Nov 2013 #57

moderate republicans green917 Nov 2013 #58

my moderate k & r L0oniX Nov 2013 #59

What passes as "moderate" today was considered radical just a few short years ago. dawg Nov 2013 #63

Yet, the left is blamed for not supporting Democrats who support Republican policies. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #79

Perfectly stated! n/t Kermitt Gribble Nov 2013 #99

PLUS ONE! nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #120

Excellently put rock Nov 2013 #66

You have just said it. What the MSM is telling us is moderate, is bogus. They have been pushing lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #68

This point cannot be stressed enough: ronnie624 Nov 2013 #80

All Tags Have Moved Hard Right colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #83

Absolutely right on! Enthusiast Nov 2013 #121

The saddest are the moderates that behave like extremists toward the rest of the party. Rex Nov 2013 #87

examples? Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #89

Too easy. Rex Nov 2013 #90

waiting. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #91

This guy right here Rex Nov 2013 #92

my apologies. who is that? I don't recognize the face. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #93

Just some piece of trash that hid behind the moderate tag Rex Nov 2013 #94

thanks for nothing. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #95

Aww why are you so sadz now? Rex Nov 2013 #96

quit being so EXTREMELY MODERATE! Nothing good ever came from moderation. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #88

I was quite speciific in my op. YOU, oth, are not at all specific in your complaints about it cali Nov 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Nov 2013 #100

I remember when the Dem moderate position on marriage was STFU. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #101

Somewhat decent OP, but the Repubs aren't really crying out for "moderation" at all, TBH. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #102

In my experience? liberalmuse Nov 2013 #104

. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #105

There are plenty of Republican moderates in the congress. I'd say at least 70. quakerboy Nov 2013 #112

I'm certainly not lapping up this nonsense. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #114

useful tools for blue-washing right wing policies.... KG Nov 2013 #117

the problem with the word moderate is - where do you put the goal post? Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #127

DURec! bvar22 Nov 2013 #139

+1 for the Jim Hightower allusion. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #141

I say this all the time, but I'll say it again MissMillie Nov 2013 #143

This. blackspade Nov 2013 #145