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Warpy

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45. That assumes legal and affordable birth control that all women have access to

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:11 PM

Nov 2013

That is, the "rare" part does. Support for mothers would also help, meaning paid leave and affordable day care as well as financial help if the man ran out on her.

Abortions have always been relatively rare, whether or not it's been legal. Illegal abortions were just harder to survive and many women didn't. Desperate women seeking illegal abortions are prepared to die since suicide is often what they perceive to be their only rational alternative. Since safe operations are available, women shouldn't have to risk death just to please the preachers and men's rights groups.

I would say "as rare/common as they need to be." Abortion is painful, whether surgical or chemical. No woman has one because childbirth would interfere with a hair appointment.

Just keep it "safe and legal, putting the butchers out of business."

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Does "abortion should be safe, legal and rare" pretty much describe your approach to the issue? [View all] Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP

Not really. Demobrat Nov 2013 #1

This. redqueen Nov 2013 #5

Hell yes. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #105

I don't agree. phylny Nov 2013 #109

+1 leftstreet Nov 2013 #12

+1000 ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #20

Agreed. It's why I voted "no" in the poll n/t livetohike Nov 2013 #43

The "rare" part comes about via universal access to free contraception. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #46

that's pipi_k Nov 2013 #63

+1 sakabatou Nov 2013 #90

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Nov 2013 #61

that and "none of my damn business". Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #71

+1. That's why I voted no. nt NCTraveler Nov 2013 #76

That should be Option #1. Zorra Nov 2013 #94

Safe, Legal, and None of Anyone's Business get the red out Nov 2013 #2

+1 grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #19

+infinity etherealtruth Nov 2013 #25

+ 1 Myrina Nov 2013 #28

Yes. n/t me b zola Nov 2013 #35

+1 n/t Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #38

This. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #42

+1 n/t tammywammy Nov 2013 #54

+++++++ uppityperson Nov 2013 #56

Yup. n/t GoCubsGo Nov 2013 #66

Absolutely! silverweb Nov 2013 #79

And acess to free birth control idwiyo Nov 2013 #86

This is my answer bigwillq Nov 2013 #99

+1. The word "rare" does not belong there. It is judgmental. n/t MadrasT Nov 2013 #118

No. It should be safe, legal, hygienic, affordalbe and available as needed. So should... uppityperson Nov 2013 #3

I think this is the best answer. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #62

Safe, legal and readily available at all times and places. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #4

It should be safe, legal, and available as much as it's needed gollygee Nov 2013 #6

I think so, especially to birth control and real sex ed. I find it hard to believe any RKP5637 Nov 2013 #69

Safe and legal, yes, but rare, no. I want every woman who does not want Nay Nov 2013 #7

Pretty much, yes. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #8

I couldn't have said it better myself. HappyMe Nov 2013 #15

Me neither War Horse Nov 2013 #36

I will put a check mark next to this response. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #16

Sums up my feelings as well maddezmom Nov 2013 #23

That's exactly how I feel. You summed it up for me perfectly! eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #32

Check for this box. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #40

Thank you. Amazing how some here don't understand the meaning of rare in this context. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #50

We understand perfectly well Demobrat Nov 2013 #108

No, not mmmkay. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #112

Which part do you have a problem with, Demobrat Nov 2013 #114

"Abortion is usually a very traumatic experience for a woman". Some, yes, but not "usually" uppityperson Nov 2013 #59

We have had different experiences, then. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #64

I am wondering what your experience is? uppityperson Nov 2013 #68

Perhaps my use of "very" was overstating. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #72

Thanks. Talking about all this is necessary and I thank you for doing so in a civil manner. uppityperson Nov 2013 #73

Likewise! Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #82

I have had my teeth deep cleaned, filed down, pulled out, RebelOne Nov 2013 #83

Yes. Rare, to me, means lots and lots of education and open dialog on birth control. onehandle Nov 2013 #9

AARRGH! Who was the idio...person who came up with 'rare' ? leftstreet Nov 2013 #10

Someone who thought our human rights were something to be compromised redqueen Nov 2013 #17

No kidding leftstreet Nov 2013 #22

That analogy doesn't work because the rationalization they use is that abortion is a bad, horrible, redqueen Nov 2013 #31

True enough leftstreet Nov 2013 #34

Agree. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #49

Was it Clinton? nt NCTraveler Nov 2013 #78

Only if gay marriage was an invasive medical procedure that was Crunchy Frog Nov 2013 #113

So Ted Kennedy "tried to ingratiate himself with the religious right"? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #26

He was a practicing Catholic. redqueen Nov 2013 #39

Ted Kennedy embraced it, but I'm not sure if he came up with it: Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #24

Bill Clinton Demobrat Nov 2013 #48

Ted Kennedy was way ahead of Bill Clinton on "rare". See post above (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #52

This is what I remember Demobrat Nov 2013 #57

He is welcome to have as few as he wants. idwiyo Nov 2013 #84

Is he welcome to encourage sex education and accessible contraception? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #92

He is welcome to support Her's and Her's alone Right to Choose why, when and how many. idwiyo Nov 2013 #96

Rare means something different than what you're thinking. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #53

Infrequent, uncommon leftstreet Nov 2013 #74

Exactly. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #104

I had to vote yes in spite of that word's presence. I don't think 'rare' is relevant. ancianita Nov 2013 #91

No. That's just bullshit rhetoric. cali Nov 2013 #11

Safe, legal and available are more important than frequency. pampango Nov 2013 #13

It seems to me that there is ohheckyeah Nov 2013 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalLoner Nov 2013 #18

The catholic church would hand out condoms like candies Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #27

What post #1 said. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #21

its safe and legal, whether it's rare is a woman's choice.... spanone Nov 2013 #29

I like "rare" because it implies access to birth control and appropriate education. IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #30

the 'rare' part is unnecessary rightwing pandering. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #33

Safe, legal and rare as a result of education and ample access to birth control. Brickbat Nov 2013 #37

Safe, legal Aerows Nov 2013 #41

For me, this is the ideal. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #44

That assumes legal and affordable birth control that all women have access to Warpy Nov 2013 #45

Safe, legal and rare and available. Autumn Nov 2013 #47

AAAAAAAAAAACK. NO . no no. no PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #51

To me, "rare" means preferring sex education and condom use over abortion. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #58

No. "Rare" is an adjective that describes how often something happens. It's subjective. And bullshit PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #70

+1 idwiyo Nov 2013 #81

Without "rare" Democrats will continue to lose elections and also the right to choose. Dawgs Nov 2013 #55

I certainly don't feel people should be forced into abortion for financial reasons Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #60

If everyone had access to contraception and education, the need for abortion would be cut by 3/4. appleannie1 Nov 2013 #65

About 2/3 right. Iggo Nov 2013 #67

I voted NO, because I believe that the choice for abortion MineralMan Nov 2013 #75

I voted no gopiscrap Nov 2013 #77

I vote NO. HER body, HER choice. Everyone else should just mind their own business, period. idwiyo Nov 2013 #80

What I wish more... is that the people who posted polls actually voted in them. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #85

I don't usually vote right away when I post a poll Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #100

Thank you Nye ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #106

"rare" is too open to interpretation One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #87

I think abortion should be available on demand, but I selected "rare" BeeBee Nov 2013 #88

+1 nt Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #93

HOGWASH!! Reduced? To what? Numbers mean nothing without context. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #95

No, the only hogwash here is your response to my post. BeeBee Nov 2013 #102

Rare or not, it is not my call. Rex Nov 2013 #89

I think abortion should be safe and legal. BlueCheese Nov 2013 #97

The only two requirements should be safe and legal HarveyDarkey Nov 2013 #98

Abortion is not a "problem" Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #101

Yes, because it is technically surgery fried eggs Nov 2013 #103

So "safe, legal and rare" carries the day overwhelmingly on DU. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #107

I firmly feel that the woman's right to autonomy trumps all LostOne4Ever Nov 2013 #110

My approach to the issue is that I have one head attached to one neck Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #111

You have no interest in encouraging improved access to contraception? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #115

You can't encourage access. You can broaden access. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #116

No, safe, legal, on demand and none of my business The Second Stone Nov 2013 #117