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Silent3

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106. "all the recent laws proposed" have been a rash of extreme right-wing zealotry

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 02:54 PM

Nov 2013

I think the scope of the discussion has to consider issues beyond that, past history, and where things can and should end up in the future.

In most cases, especially where teabaggers have gone crazy, I'd take restrictions away from what they've tried to make a not-legal medical procedure. In fact, I'm not aware of any current laws I think are too lax. I think the OP is getting at something much more than not adding any more restrictions, however, but rather suggesting what perhaps sounds like an elimination of any and all restrictions on abortion that currently exist, not just recently-created ones but all of them -- something that's just not politically possible given American feelings about abortion, no matter how much one thinks an absolute zero of restrictions is a desirable ideal.

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Does "abortion on demand and without apology" describe your approach to the issue? [View all] redqueen Nov 2013 OP

MISANDRY! Orrex Nov 2013 #1

You ARE joking, right? Demeter Nov 2013 #55

right off the bat, you made me laugh.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #169

Aw, shucks. Orrex Nov 2013 #182

exACTLY. that works. grinnin. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #187

Yes, that is my position. DLevine Nov 2013 #2

It's a train wreck in slow motion. Whisp Nov 2013 #125

Totally agree with you. DLevine Nov 2013 #129

Yes. smokey nj Nov 2013 #3

Yup. Pro-abortion and proud of it. lapislzi Nov 2013 #4

Thank you for saying it. I don't regret mine either. redqueen Nov 2013 #5

Same here Autumn Colors Nov 2013 #33

I am with you. I am not just pro choice, but pro abortion gopiscrap Nov 2013 #104

Great sig line. mother earth Nov 2013 #179

This is going to sound odd kydo Nov 2013 #116

You're very welcome. lapislzi Nov 2013 #128

Let them squirm. It's nobodies business but your own. nt Flatulo Nov 2013 #138

Yep JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #6

I don't understand why anyone would pick a fight over 3rd trimester abortion DireStrike Nov 2013 #7

Then why are you doing it? redqueen Nov 2013 #10

That's the only part of the statement where a disagreement might come up here DireStrike Nov 2013 #14

Yes, the anti-choice side has made tons of hay with that bullshit canard. redqueen Nov 2013 #19

You can't fucking trust doctors ans women to make that decision?? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #25

There is a reason for that. haikugal Nov 2013 #32

That's wrapped up in the statement though. DireStrike Nov 2013 #37

In who's mind? haikugal Nov 2013 #47

I'm starting to think this is a useful position to state, based on the direction of this thread. DireStrike Nov 2013 #77

and may I ask "Apology to whom?!!" elehhhhna Nov 2013 #180

The "issue" over late term abortions is a Right wing tactic etherealtruth Nov 2013 #38

I think they also want to draw a line in the same so that they can then move it. nt Flatulo Nov 2013 #154

No, it's often not when it comes to severe fetal cali Nov 2013 #15

see above DireStrike Nov 2013 #20

But why the need to collapse the skull? joeglow3 Nov 2013 #54

How does that matter to anything? DireStrike Nov 2013 #80

Where do you get your information? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #83

How many children have you given birth to? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #108

My wife had Shoulder dystocia with our first kid joeglow3 Nov 2013 #210

I'm happy that you know all these medical people. Maybe they could tell you that the shoulders Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #216

I basing it on people who have deliveried thousands of babies joeglow3 Nov 2013 #219

You're wrong about the head vs shoulders gollygee Nov 2013 #145

Which is EXACTLY what I said in the very post you responded to. joeglow3 Nov 2013 #211

I guess it's because you called it a rare situation gollygee Nov 2013 #217

And I said I understand it in that scenario joeglow3 Nov 2013 #220

Doctors choose the best method for any given situation gollygee Nov 2013 #223

Because I have seen too many doctors do things wrong joeglow3 Nov 2013 #229

I have faith in the woman who is pregnant and the doctor deciding together gollygee Nov 2013 #230

I never said anything about legislators joeglow3 Nov 2013 #235

That's often why it's used gollygee Nov 2013 #236

The head's the biggest inflexible bit. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #199

Thanks for posting. Facts are important. flpoljunkie Nov 2013 #91

I would suggest researching why these abortions are typically performed etherealtruth Nov 2013 #16

see above DireStrike Nov 2013 #23

Here is a movie to watch. It is showing many places and quite the documentary about late term aborti uppityperson Nov 2013 #41

You think that women take that long to decide to terminate? Fallacy. ehrnst Nov 2013 #97

Becuase the trimester is irrelevant. VADem1980 Nov 2013 #155

6 months enough time for WHAT? elehhhhna Nov 2013 #178

Fuck others rights if it's "politically unhelpful" MattBaggins Nov 2013 #191

There simply is no POINT in being against third trimester abortion eridani Nov 2013 #215

Yes. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #8

Thank you. IMO "safe" and "legal" are equally patronizing. redqueen Nov 2013 #12

I think the usage of "legal" tammywammy Nov 2013 #39

A linguistically defensive strategy got us where we are today. redqueen Nov 2013 #59

I see what you're saying, and I can't really disagree either. tammywammy Nov 2013 #62

I think "safe and legal" gollygee Nov 2013 #146

That's interesting. I have viewed "abortion should be safe and legal" ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #176

I think it's defensive posturing, and as such, weakens a staunch pro-choice position. redqueen Nov 2013 #200

That is an interesting, and thoughtful take on it. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #209

Yup. Iggo Nov 2013 #9

My position: It is none of my damned business etherealtruth Nov 2013 #11

This is me completely SQUEE Nov 2013 #122

My position also. n/t kiranon Nov 2013 #143

Does "on demand and without apology" include or exclude any discussion... Silent3 Nov 2013 #13

D&Cs are brought up by anti choice people to cloud the issue. redqueen Nov 2013 #17

I think this response of mine to another post... Silent3 Nov 2013 #53

You ask this question as if women wake up 8 months pregant and decide ... wow I want an abortion. etherealtruth Nov 2013 #28

I didn't ask that question as if anything Silent3 Nov 2013 #48

Your story actually illustrates my point perfectly etherealtruth Nov 2013 #63

I certainly don't believe what my sister says about mortality being rare. Silent3 Nov 2013 #85

I am really not sure what you are stating etherealtruth Nov 2013 #105

I'm stating that third trimester abortions should certainly be allowed... Silent3 Nov 2013 #110

People are squeamish about gay sex MattBaggins Nov 2013 #195

since late term procedures are already heavily restricted, i'm not sure what you're nashville_brook Nov 2013 #65

I'm not asking for any concessions at all. I'm thinking that the OP is saying... Silent3 Nov 2013 #74

Yes. It implies women and their doctors cannot be trusted to make decisions. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #30

Late term abortions are performed when there is a serious health risk abelenkpe Nov 2013 #60

Even if it's not something at all likely to happen in real life... Silent3 Nov 2013 #71

My question is why should "many people" or ANY people truebluegreen Nov 2013 #82

People have a say in all sorts of laws that don't directly involve themselves Silent3 Nov 2013 #92

Why not? Everything else in our system has that change at the moment of birth. jeff47 Nov 2013 #127

Neither I nor the law in general place infinite trust in parents in all matters. Silent3 Nov 2013 #141

I do not grant a late-term fetus has more status than the human being that bears it but truebluegreen Nov 2013 #149

I certainly don't grant MORE status, but I suspect you know that phrasing is a straw man. Silent3 Nov 2013 #157

We already have laws about putting newborn babies in dumpsters truebluegreen Nov 2013 #163

What does the issue of the laws that we already have have to do with this? Silent3 Nov 2013 #181

And I've already stated, very clearly, truebluegreen Nov 2013 #183

I suspect gollygee Nov 2013 #175

Except that all the recent laws proposed to do that abelenkpe Nov 2013 #93

"all the recent laws proposed" have been a rash of extreme right-wing zealotry Silent3 Nov 2013 #106

I agree, "likelihood" is not the issue. thesquanderer Nov 2013 #102

No late term restrictions MattBaggins Nov 2013 #193

.. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #225

Yes... SidDithers Nov 2013 #18

fuck yes dembotoz Nov 2013 #21

Yes... haikugal Nov 2013 #22

I feel it is the only real practical solution... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #24

So you believe that terminating a pregnancy should weigh on a woman's conscience, redqueen Nov 2013 #36

I've been floating around posting that same thing this last week BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #56

No, no, no. Wrong, wrong, wrong... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #131

You are free to BELIEVE as you wish BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #139

You have a lot learn. So incredibly wrong. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #142

I think you are lecturing me because you think I'm a man BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #151

I don't know what you are ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #159

"Without Apology" BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #171

Many people come to their own conclusions ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #189

I think you should post this as an OP Prism Nov 2013 #153

Nice try, queen.... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #73

How else can you prevent such 'psychopaths' from becoming pregnant again? redqueen Nov 2013 #78

Well, I apologize for the 'emotive' language... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #90

I give you some latitude handmade34 Nov 2013 #161

(((Hugs))) to you my sister... haikugal Nov 2013 #165

The only case where the choice of an abortion is "an 'easy' decision" is psychopaths? uppityperson Nov 2013 #99

Actually for some women, it is a very easy decision and "conscience" does not come into the equation MadrasT Nov 2013 #221

My abortion was an extremely easy decision prole_for_peace Nov 2013 #228

Fuck yes. And remove ALL restrictions. We can trust women and doctors. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #26

huh? all regulations? No. cali Nov 2013 #51

The Case for Repealing ALL Anti-Abortion Laws PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #61

I meant restrictions. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #66

Well.. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #27

Yes free access to birth control drastically reduces abortions. (Imagine that!) redqueen Nov 2013 #43

I agree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #76

No. It is xxqqqzme Nov 2013 #29

why and who would you apologize to???? spanone Nov 2013 #31

AS a former Catholic I am BillyRibs Nov 2013 #34

I'm sure the Catholic hierarchy feels little guilt about oppressing women all these years. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #42

LOL BillyRibs Nov 2013 #46

That's because they came up with that nice little story BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #69

THIS^^^^^^^^..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #192

And yet there is quite a lot of dissembling on this very thread BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #196

Yes it describes my approach to the issue. Little Star Nov 2013 #35

Yes. n/t tammywammy Nov 2013 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #44

YES Demobrat Nov 2013 #45

That about covers it. It's a decision between a woman and her doctor. n/t X_Digger Nov 2013 #49

If it's not my body, it's none of my business. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #50

Well said. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #84

yup, that pretty much summarizes my opinion.... mike_c Nov 2013 #52

Absolutely NOT....... Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #57

Do you honestly think women get abortions because they're unaware of other options? redqueen Nov 2013 #70

only to authoritaruans who believe why should control women noiretextatique Nov 2013 #81

I agree with you. Absolutely. Th1onein Nov 2013 #103

Yea, we know. JTFrog Nov 2013 #109

No you don't. You don't think abortion should ever be an option. REP Nov 2013 #119

Yes get the red out Nov 2013 #58

Yes. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #64

When I say "Fight for Women's rights" I also mean Fight as in "fists-a-flying" BlueJazz Nov 2013 #67

Yes. n/t NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #68

I would phrase it differently since no one can demand a procedure from a physician ehrnst Nov 2013 #72

Yes. It's a basic human right to have control of ones body. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #75

absolument mon ami AAO Nov 2013 #79

Yes. Yes, it does. Women have the final say on what/who goes into and out of their bodies. ancianita Nov 2013 #86

Yes. Abortion on demand and WITHOUT apology. hamsterjill Nov 2013 #87

simply discussing it on an internet Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #107

Yes. enlightenment Nov 2013 #88

Yes, it does, exactly, and I'm not influenced by any considerations of personal advantage Glorfindel Nov 2013 #89

Yes. My body, my choice, without question. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #94

Actually, "free abortion readily available in any hospital" would be my approach. Coyotl Nov 2013 #95

Roe v. Wade gives states the right to regulate abortions beginning in the second trimester flpoljunkie Nov 2013 #96

I'm not "pro-abortion". I'm in favor of giving women the choice. Arkana Nov 2013 #98

No BainsBane Nov 2013 #100

Im in line with that. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #117

It is not a human being until the mother says it is The Green Manalishi Nov 2013 #101

Does that apply even after birth? Silent3 Nov 2013 #113

I asked my mom that question. The "when is it too late to abort" The Green Manalishi Nov 2013 #135

Interesting position... Does that cover into the teen years? Flatulo Nov 2013 #218

That's what Mom said The Green Manalishi Nov 2013 #237

Yes. Abortion should be the decision of each woman to make. MineralMan Nov 2013 #111

Define "on demand" Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #112

Yes leftstreet Nov 2013 #114

yes/no Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #115

As I posted earlier... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #118

I believe that statement more accurately SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #120

Yes. ellie Nov 2013 #121

To answer Redqueen's question... vlakitti Nov 2013 #123

The only thing I'm against is elective third trimester LittleBlue Nov 2013 #124

What you said pretty much describes where I stand on this. Silent3 Nov 2013 #148

It's the woman's body. VADem1980 Nov 2013 #158

Because at a certain point I think an unborn child gains enough value... Silent3 Nov 2013 #160

"unborn child" - What is with the RW rhetoric? redqueen Nov 2013 #166

I think it's perfectly fair to refer to a fetus that's ready to survive on its own... Silent3 Nov 2013 #184

NO such thing! VADem1980 Nov 2013 #174

Same response as to the other similar response to my post Silent3 Nov 2013 #186

Your point being? I was responding to someone else. Amazingly, my opinion hasn't changed. VADem1980 Nov 2013 #207

In post #174 you said "NO such thing!" in response to my post #160. Silent3 Nov 2013 #212

Because some people just can't stand not being in control of women's bodies. redqueen Nov 2013 #203

Apology? KansDem Nov 2013 #126

Not exactly One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #130

It is a woman's choice as to what to do, not mine. Rex Nov 2013 #132

Yes Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #133

... a request should be sufficient... n/t Scout Nov 2013 #134

absolutely. stillcool Nov 2013 #136

I'm not a fan of the term 'demand'. I can't 'demand' pain medication or antibiotics or anything else Flatulo Nov 2013 #137

Yes, very much for women's rights GeoWilliam750 Nov 2013 #140

Wow. I never knew so many people were unfamiliar with the meaning of "on demand". nt redqueen Nov 2013 #144

no shit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #147

Like it's hard to figure out... redqueen Nov 2013 #204

Yes and no apology needed. n/t RebelOne Nov 2013 #150

Yes, that is my position... prairierose Nov 2013 #152

Why in the world would anyone ever "apologize" for an abortion? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #156

Yup Scootaloo Nov 2013 #162

People should feel no more guilt over abortion than getting a tooth removed... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #164

i think there are good reasons for having one, and bad reasons for having one, and it's none of my dionysus Nov 2013 #167

yes. nt xchrom Nov 2013 #168

Yes. Well said. Appreciate the thread. nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #170

Thank you. nt redqueen Nov 2013 #205

It's a Woman's decision only seveneyes Nov 2013 #172

My view is that termination of pregancy TBF Nov 2013 #173

Absolutely. yellerpup Nov 2013 #177

YES. Eom. DirkGently Nov 2013 #185

the way i genuinely feel about abortion is the way i feel about most healthcare issues La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #188

Yes!!! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #190

Yes loyalsister Nov 2013 #194

Yes. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #197

Yes. nt. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #198

I don't think anyone should apologize for making their own decisions. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #201

Yes. n/t Small Accumulates Nov 2013 #202

I agree, but also think that: Revanchist Nov 2013 #206

Yes. I get very nervous about putting restrictions on a woman's right to choose. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #208

Who in the hell needs the Gov to come between a women's rights to abortion? Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #213

And it is mostly men pushing these restrictions. I personally think they hate women. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #214

My position is this: "Other than my doctor, it's no one's fucking business why I want an abortion." cynatnite Nov 2013 #222

No it doesn't. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #224

Yes Bradical79 Nov 2013 #226

Yes. retread Nov 2013 #227

Sure Recursion Nov 2013 #231

Yes, full stop Agony Nov 2013 #232

Yes, after all it's the law! B Calm Nov 2013 #233

Yes. joshcryer Nov 2013 #234