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handmade34

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161. I give you some latitude

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 06:14 PM

Nov 2013

because you are a man…

I accept that you don't think women should be made to feel guilty and that you imagine it would be a difficult decision to have an abortion… it is for some… not so much for others…

...the talk about it being a difficult decision to make, often is a way to make abortion seem illegitimate or unwise…

women should always have control over their own body and there should be no restrictions…

I have had 2 abortions and did not feel one moment of remorse or guilt or confusion about them… I can talk about them freely with every confidence that I did the right thing… I am passionate about women's right to choose because one of those abortions was illegal and potentially dangerous… no woman should EVER have to go through that

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Does "abortion on demand and without apology" describe your approach to the issue? [View all] redqueen Nov 2013 OP

MISANDRY! Orrex Nov 2013 #1

You ARE joking, right? Demeter Nov 2013 #55

right off the bat, you made me laugh.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #169

Aw, shucks. Orrex Nov 2013 #182

exACTLY. that works. grinnin. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #187

Yes, that is my position. DLevine Nov 2013 #2

It's a train wreck in slow motion. Whisp Nov 2013 #125

Totally agree with you. DLevine Nov 2013 #129

Yes. smokey nj Nov 2013 #3

Yup. Pro-abortion and proud of it. lapislzi Nov 2013 #4

Thank you for saying it. I don't regret mine either. redqueen Nov 2013 #5

Same here Autumn Colors Nov 2013 #33

I am with you. I am not just pro choice, but pro abortion gopiscrap Nov 2013 #104

Great sig line. mother earth Nov 2013 #179

This is going to sound odd kydo Nov 2013 #116

You're very welcome. lapislzi Nov 2013 #128

Let them squirm. It's nobodies business but your own. nt Flatulo Nov 2013 #138

Yep JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #6

I don't understand why anyone would pick a fight over 3rd trimester abortion DireStrike Nov 2013 #7

Then why are you doing it? redqueen Nov 2013 #10

That's the only part of the statement where a disagreement might come up here DireStrike Nov 2013 #14

Yes, the anti-choice side has made tons of hay with that bullshit canard. redqueen Nov 2013 #19

You can't fucking trust doctors ans women to make that decision?? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #25

There is a reason for that. haikugal Nov 2013 #32

That's wrapped up in the statement though. DireStrike Nov 2013 #37

In who's mind? haikugal Nov 2013 #47

I'm starting to think this is a useful position to state, based on the direction of this thread. DireStrike Nov 2013 #77

and may I ask "Apology to whom?!!" elehhhhna Nov 2013 #180

The "issue" over late term abortions is a Right wing tactic etherealtruth Nov 2013 #38

I think they also want to draw a line in the same so that they can then move it. nt Flatulo Nov 2013 #154

No, it's often not when it comes to severe fetal cali Nov 2013 #15

see above DireStrike Nov 2013 #20

But why the need to collapse the skull? joeglow3 Nov 2013 #54

How does that matter to anything? DireStrike Nov 2013 #80

Where do you get your information? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #83

How many children have you given birth to? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #108

My wife had Shoulder dystocia with our first kid joeglow3 Nov 2013 #210

I'm happy that you know all these medical people. Maybe they could tell you that the shoulders Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #216

I basing it on people who have deliveried thousands of babies joeglow3 Nov 2013 #219

You're wrong about the head vs shoulders gollygee Nov 2013 #145

Which is EXACTLY what I said in the very post you responded to. joeglow3 Nov 2013 #211

I guess it's because you called it a rare situation gollygee Nov 2013 #217

And I said I understand it in that scenario joeglow3 Nov 2013 #220

Doctors choose the best method for any given situation gollygee Nov 2013 #223

Because I have seen too many doctors do things wrong joeglow3 Nov 2013 #229

I have faith in the woman who is pregnant and the doctor deciding together gollygee Nov 2013 #230

I never said anything about legislators joeglow3 Nov 2013 #235

That's often why it's used gollygee Nov 2013 #236

The head's the biggest inflexible bit. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #199

Thanks for posting. Facts are important. flpoljunkie Nov 2013 #91

I would suggest researching why these abortions are typically performed etherealtruth Nov 2013 #16

see above DireStrike Nov 2013 #23

Here is a movie to watch. It is showing many places and quite the documentary about late term aborti uppityperson Nov 2013 #41

You think that women take that long to decide to terminate? Fallacy. ehrnst Nov 2013 #97

Becuase the trimester is irrelevant. VADem1980 Nov 2013 #155

6 months enough time for WHAT? elehhhhna Nov 2013 #178

Fuck others rights if it's "politically unhelpful" MattBaggins Nov 2013 #191

There simply is no POINT in being against third trimester abortion eridani Nov 2013 #215

Yes. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #8

Thank you. IMO "safe" and "legal" are equally patronizing. redqueen Nov 2013 #12

I think the usage of "legal" tammywammy Nov 2013 #39

A linguistically defensive strategy got us where we are today. redqueen Nov 2013 #59

I see what you're saying, and I can't really disagree either. tammywammy Nov 2013 #62

I think "safe and legal" gollygee Nov 2013 #146

That's interesting. I have viewed "abortion should be safe and legal" ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #176

I think it's defensive posturing, and as such, weakens a staunch pro-choice position. redqueen Nov 2013 #200

That is an interesting, and thoughtful take on it. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #209

Yup. Iggo Nov 2013 #9

My position: It is none of my damned business etherealtruth Nov 2013 #11

This is me completely SQUEE Nov 2013 #122

My position also. n/t kiranon Nov 2013 #143

Does "on demand and without apology" include or exclude any discussion... Silent3 Nov 2013 #13

D&Cs are brought up by anti choice people to cloud the issue. redqueen Nov 2013 #17

I think this response of mine to another post... Silent3 Nov 2013 #53

You ask this question as if women wake up 8 months pregant and decide ... wow I want an abortion. etherealtruth Nov 2013 #28

I didn't ask that question as if anything Silent3 Nov 2013 #48

Your story actually illustrates my point perfectly etherealtruth Nov 2013 #63

I certainly don't believe what my sister says about mortality being rare. Silent3 Nov 2013 #85

I am really not sure what you are stating etherealtruth Nov 2013 #105

I'm stating that third trimester abortions should certainly be allowed... Silent3 Nov 2013 #110

People are squeamish about gay sex MattBaggins Nov 2013 #195

since late term procedures are already heavily restricted, i'm not sure what you're nashville_brook Nov 2013 #65

I'm not asking for any concessions at all. I'm thinking that the OP is saying... Silent3 Nov 2013 #74

Yes. It implies women and their doctors cannot be trusted to make decisions. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #30

Late term abortions are performed when there is a serious health risk abelenkpe Nov 2013 #60

Even if it's not something at all likely to happen in real life... Silent3 Nov 2013 #71

My question is why should "many people" or ANY people truebluegreen Nov 2013 #82

People have a say in all sorts of laws that don't directly involve themselves Silent3 Nov 2013 #92

Why not? Everything else in our system has that change at the moment of birth. jeff47 Nov 2013 #127

Neither I nor the law in general place infinite trust in parents in all matters. Silent3 Nov 2013 #141

I do not grant a late-term fetus has more status than the human being that bears it but truebluegreen Nov 2013 #149

I certainly don't grant MORE status, but I suspect you know that phrasing is a straw man. Silent3 Nov 2013 #157

We already have laws about putting newborn babies in dumpsters truebluegreen Nov 2013 #163

What does the issue of the laws that we already have have to do with this? Silent3 Nov 2013 #181

And I've already stated, very clearly, truebluegreen Nov 2013 #183

I suspect gollygee Nov 2013 #175

Except that all the recent laws proposed to do that abelenkpe Nov 2013 #93

"all the recent laws proposed" have been a rash of extreme right-wing zealotry Silent3 Nov 2013 #106

I agree, "likelihood" is not the issue. thesquanderer Nov 2013 #102

No late term restrictions MattBaggins Nov 2013 #193

.. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #225

Yes... SidDithers Nov 2013 #18

fuck yes dembotoz Nov 2013 #21

Yes... haikugal Nov 2013 #22

I feel it is the only real practical solution... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #24

So you believe that terminating a pregnancy should weigh on a woman's conscience, redqueen Nov 2013 #36

I've been floating around posting that same thing this last week BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #56

No, no, no. Wrong, wrong, wrong... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #131

You are free to BELIEVE as you wish BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #139

You have a lot learn. So incredibly wrong. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #142

I think you are lecturing me because you think I'm a man BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #151

I don't know what you are ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #159

"Without Apology" BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #171

Many people come to their own conclusions ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #189

I think you should post this as an OP Prism Nov 2013 #153

Nice try, queen.... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #73

How else can you prevent such 'psychopaths' from becoming pregnant again? redqueen Nov 2013 #78

Well, I apologize for the 'emotive' language... Wounded Bear Nov 2013 #90

I give you some latitude handmade34 Nov 2013 #161

(((Hugs))) to you my sister... haikugal Nov 2013 #165

The only case where the choice of an abortion is "an 'easy' decision" is psychopaths? uppityperson Nov 2013 #99

Actually for some women, it is a very easy decision and "conscience" does not come into the equation MadrasT Nov 2013 #221

My abortion was an extremely easy decision prole_for_peace Nov 2013 #228

Fuck yes. And remove ALL restrictions. We can trust women and doctors. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #26

huh? all regulations? No. cali Nov 2013 #51

The Case for Repealing ALL Anti-Abortion Laws PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #61

I meant restrictions. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #66

Well.. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #27

Yes free access to birth control drastically reduces abortions. (Imagine that!) redqueen Nov 2013 #43

I agree. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #76

No. It is xxqqqzme Nov 2013 #29

why and who would you apologize to???? spanone Nov 2013 #31

AS a former Catholic I am BillyRibs Nov 2013 #34

I'm sure the Catholic hierarchy feels little guilt about oppressing women all these years. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #42

LOL BillyRibs Nov 2013 #46

That's because they came up with that nice little story BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #69

THIS^^^^^^^^..... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #192

And yet there is quite a lot of dissembling on this very thread BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #196

Yes it describes my approach to the issue. Little Star Nov 2013 #35

Yes. n/t tammywammy Nov 2013 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #44

YES Demobrat Nov 2013 #45

That about covers it. It's a decision between a woman and her doctor. n/t X_Digger Nov 2013 #49

If it's not my body, it's none of my business. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #50

Well said. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #84

yup, that pretty much summarizes my opinion.... mike_c Nov 2013 #52

Absolutely NOT....... Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #57

Do you honestly think women get abortions because they're unaware of other options? redqueen Nov 2013 #70

only to authoritaruans who believe why should control women noiretextatique Nov 2013 #81

I agree with you. Absolutely. Th1onein Nov 2013 #103

Yea, we know. JTFrog Nov 2013 #109

No you don't. You don't think abortion should ever be an option. REP Nov 2013 #119

Yes get the red out Nov 2013 #58

Yes. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #64

When I say "Fight for Women's rights" I also mean Fight as in "fists-a-flying" BlueJazz Nov 2013 #67

Yes. n/t NRaleighLiberal Nov 2013 #68

I would phrase it differently since no one can demand a procedure from a physician ehrnst Nov 2013 #72

Yes. It's a basic human right to have control of ones body. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #75

absolument mon ami AAO Nov 2013 #79

Yes. Yes, it does. Women have the final say on what/who goes into and out of their bodies. ancianita Nov 2013 #86

Yes. Abortion on demand and WITHOUT apology. hamsterjill Nov 2013 #87

simply discussing it on an internet Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #107

Yes. enlightenment Nov 2013 #88

Yes, it does, exactly, and I'm not influenced by any considerations of personal advantage Glorfindel Nov 2013 #89

Yes. My body, my choice, without question. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #94

Actually, "free abortion readily available in any hospital" would be my approach. Coyotl Nov 2013 #95

Roe v. Wade gives states the right to regulate abortions beginning in the second trimester flpoljunkie Nov 2013 #96

I'm not "pro-abortion". I'm in favor of giving women the choice. Arkana Nov 2013 #98

No BainsBane Nov 2013 #100

Im in line with that. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #117

It is not a human being until the mother says it is The Green Manalishi Nov 2013 #101

Does that apply even after birth? Silent3 Nov 2013 #113

I asked my mom that question. The "when is it too late to abort" The Green Manalishi Nov 2013 #135

Interesting position... Does that cover into the teen years? Flatulo Nov 2013 #218

That's what Mom said The Green Manalishi Nov 2013 #237

Yes. Abortion should be the decision of each woman to make. MineralMan Nov 2013 #111

Define "on demand" Prophet 451 Nov 2013 #112

Yes leftstreet Nov 2013 #114

yes/no Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #115

As I posted earlier... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #118

I believe that statement more accurately SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #120

Yes. ellie Nov 2013 #121

To answer Redqueen's question... vlakitti Nov 2013 #123

The only thing I'm against is elective third trimester LittleBlue Nov 2013 #124

What you said pretty much describes where I stand on this. Silent3 Nov 2013 #148

It's the woman's body. VADem1980 Nov 2013 #158

Because at a certain point I think an unborn child gains enough value... Silent3 Nov 2013 #160

"unborn child" - What is with the RW rhetoric? redqueen Nov 2013 #166

I think it's perfectly fair to refer to a fetus that's ready to survive on its own... Silent3 Nov 2013 #184

NO such thing! VADem1980 Nov 2013 #174

Same response as to the other similar response to my post Silent3 Nov 2013 #186

Your point being? I was responding to someone else. Amazingly, my opinion hasn't changed. VADem1980 Nov 2013 #207

In post #174 you said "NO such thing!" in response to my post #160. Silent3 Nov 2013 #212

Because some people just can't stand not being in control of women's bodies. redqueen Nov 2013 #203

Apology? KansDem Nov 2013 #126

Not exactly One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #130

It is a woman's choice as to what to do, not mine. Rex Nov 2013 #132

Yes Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #133

... a request should be sufficient... n/t Scout Nov 2013 #134

absolutely. stillcool Nov 2013 #136

I'm not a fan of the term 'demand'. I can't 'demand' pain medication or antibiotics or anything else Flatulo Nov 2013 #137

Yes, very much for women's rights GeoWilliam750 Nov 2013 #140

Wow. I never knew so many people were unfamiliar with the meaning of "on demand". nt redqueen Nov 2013 #144

no shit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #147

Like it's hard to figure out... redqueen Nov 2013 #204

Yes and no apology needed. n/t RebelOne Nov 2013 #150

Yes, that is my position... prairierose Nov 2013 #152

Why in the world would anyone ever "apologize" for an abortion? Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #156

Yup Scootaloo Nov 2013 #162

People should feel no more guilt over abortion than getting a tooth removed... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #164

i think there are good reasons for having one, and bad reasons for having one, and it's none of my dionysus Nov 2013 #167

yes. nt xchrom Nov 2013 #168

Yes. Well said. Appreciate the thread. nt RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #170

Thank you. nt redqueen Nov 2013 #205

It's a Woman's decision only seveneyes Nov 2013 #172

My view is that termination of pregancy TBF Nov 2013 #173

Absolutely. yellerpup Nov 2013 #177

YES. Eom. DirkGently Nov 2013 #185

the way i genuinely feel about abortion is the way i feel about most healthcare issues La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #188

Yes!!! nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #190

Yes loyalsister Nov 2013 #194

Yes. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #197

Yes. nt. Mc Mike Nov 2013 #198

I don't think anyone should apologize for making their own decisions. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #201

Yes. n/t Small Accumulates Nov 2013 #202

I agree, but also think that: Revanchist Nov 2013 #206

Yes. I get very nervous about putting restrictions on a woman's right to choose. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #208

Who in the hell needs the Gov to come between a women's rights to abortion? Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #213

And it is mostly men pushing these restrictions. I personally think they hate women. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #214

My position is this: "Other than my doctor, it's no one's fucking business why I want an abortion." cynatnite Nov 2013 #222

No it doesn't. el_bryanto Nov 2013 #224

Yes Bradical79 Nov 2013 #226

Yes. retread Nov 2013 #227

Sure Recursion Nov 2013 #231

Yes, full stop Agony Nov 2013 #232

Yes, after all it's the law! B Calm Nov 2013 #233

Yes. joshcryer Nov 2013 #234