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athena

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73. This is about whether the government should be involved.

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

Nov 2013

Woman meets great guy, gets married. Gets pregnant. Shops for clothes and plans the next 5 decades of life. 8.5 months later finds out new husband is Son of Satan, the worst man ever. Ok to terminate? No judgement here... just yes or no?

Setting aside your incredibly naive view of how abortions normally happen, you're confusing what is moral or immoral behavior with what should be legal or illegal.

The question is not whether it is OK for a woman to make such a choice. It is whether the government should be in the business of putting women in jail for making such a choice. This is about banning abortion, making it a crime.

Let me ask you a question: supposing such a woman got an abortion, would you put her in jail? If so, for how long? Would you give her a life sentence? If not, why not? Would you give her the death penalty? If not, why not?

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Roe V. Wade established a Trimester system which was subsequently modified in the Casey decision. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #1

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I believe so. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #4

No idea quinnox Nov 2013 #3

Viability is still 24 weeks. Fetal development does not change with the times. Barack_America Nov 2013 #5

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No it doesn't. idwiyo Nov 2013 #9

Viability is defined at greater than 50% survival with maximum intervention. Barack_America Nov 2013 #13

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Nope. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #27

Nope. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #20

No, it doesn't, not really Warpy Nov 2013 #63

on a side note, elehhhhna Nov 2013 #94

If and when we ever do achieve womb transplants... Barack_America Nov 2013 #96

My head hurts. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #6

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a fetus in NOT viable at 20 weeks cali Nov 2013 #7

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Ok, I will answer with questions etherealtruth Nov 2013 #11

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Logically ...? etherealtruth Nov 2013 #22

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This is relevant in that in your scenario etherealtruth Nov 2013 #30

If the state was an interested party, it would promote abortion. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #36

The central nervous system isn't intact until 24 weeks in utero. Therefore, JaneyVee Nov 2013 #12

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I concur. Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #97

and certainly not a bunch of male politicians Blue_Roses Nov 2013 #102

Legally Mandated Forced Birthing. Is it really ever OK to legally enslave a woman? nt Zorra Nov 2013 #17

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The moment of. n/t gollygee Nov 2013 #25

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I would call it aggravated assault gollygee Nov 2013 #31

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OK so obviously you don't think women CAN be trusted with children gollygee Nov 2013 #39

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This is about whether the government should be involved. athena Nov 2013 #73

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Let me ask you another question. athena Nov 2013 #80

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The spouse is a separate person who isn't getting all the necessities of life gollygee Nov 2013 #86

No one is saying Congress should not make any laws. athena Nov 2013 #90

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yes MattBaggins Nov 2013 #101

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Because it is a separate person at 1 minute gollygee Nov 2013 #49

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tou won't gwt an answer in that Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #33

Purists? gollygee Nov 2013 #37

no, the state is charged with looking Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #41

So long as that baby is getting all food, oxygen, and everything from the women gollygee Nov 2013 #43

ys they are because it is a viable life. Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #50

"I believe that women own their own bodies." ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #75

This is in the context of pregnancy gollygee Nov 2013 #78

In the realm we are discussing, it has no legal interest except post natal interest. Zorra Nov 2013 #51

A second after birth. MattBaggins Nov 2013 #100

Here's a great piece I refer to often... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

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I assume you are in favor of forced organ donations. athena Nov 2013 #26

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So you are in favor of forced abortion but against forced organ donation! athena Nov 2013 #34

You think people don't own their own bodies gollygee Nov 2013 #35

Don't be silly gollygee etherealtruth Nov 2013 #52

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good luck. you're gonna need it. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #59

That's a bit harsh MattBaggins Nov 2013 #103

Where do you place that point? etherealtruth Nov 2013 #62

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I am sure we can agree smoking is a legal activity etherealtruth Nov 2013 #72

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I am one of those funny people that believe woman ... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #91

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I note that you have neglected to answer my questions. athena Nov 2013 #74

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Organ donation preserves existing life etherealtruth Nov 2013 #82

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It is necessary to look at inconsistencies in the reasoning etherealtruth Nov 2013 #89

What if part of an organ or tissue were needed for a newborn baby? gollygee Nov 2013 #83

People die because of organ unavailability. athena Nov 2013 #84

If the technology existed to transplant the fetus to a male MattBaggins Nov 2013 #105

I'm thinking the same thing kydo Nov 2013 #32

Perfectly said. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #40

Sounds accurate to me etherealtruth Nov 2013 #44

You lost me at "Women have the right to choose whether they will get pregnant or not." cyberswede Nov 2013 #47

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what about rape? n/t kydo Nov 2013 #55

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yeah but what about the fetus? n/t kydo Nov 2013 #61

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then why are you bothering us with this thread? n/t kydo Nov 2013 #66

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right .... kydo Nov 2013 #71

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What about contraceptive failure? uppityperson Nov 2013 #99

also, something that many women on birth control Blue_Roses Nov 2013 #106

let me simplify it for you. choice. that simple. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #56

I suppose whenever viability outside the womb occurs LittleBlue Nov 2013 #60

probably an unpopular view, but it's mine so I'll express it regardless.... mike_c Nov 2013 #64

I love your two cents! etherealtruth Nov 2013 #67

You can add mine in and make it 4 cents. nt Walk away Nov 2013 #104

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Viability will never be 20 weeks or less REP Nov 2013 #79

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It is impossible to "terminate a pregnancy after birth" because there is NO pregnancy then. uppityperson Nov 2013 #98