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athena

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80. Let me ask you another question.

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 06:20 PM

Nov 2013

We understand that you claim to only be interested in other people's judgments. You claim you can't decide whether a woman who (hypothetically) has an abortion at 8.5 months because she just broke up with her boyfriend should go to jail.

Do you think the members of Congress are in a good position to decide whether she goes to jail?

And don't forget the other question I asked: if you think that Congress should be in the business of sending women to jail for abortions, why should they not send you to jail for refusing a government-mandated organ donation at great risk to your health?

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Roe V. Wade established a Trimester system which was subsequently modified in the Casey decision. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #1

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I believe so. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #4

No idea quinnox Nov 2013 #3

Viability is still 24 weeks. Fetal development does not change with the times. Barack_America Nov 2013 #5

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No it doesn't. idwiyo Nov 2013 #9

Viability is defined at greater than 50% survival with maximum intervention. Barack_America Nov 2013 #13

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Nope. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #27

Nope. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #20

No, it doesn't, not really Warpy Nov 2013 #63

on a side note, elehhhhna Nov 2013 #94

If and when we ever do achieve womb transplants... Barack_America Nov 2013 #96

My head hurts. Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #6

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a fetus in NOT viable at 20 weeks cali Nov 2013 #7

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Ok, I will answer with questions etherealtruth Nov 2013 #11

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Logically ...? etherealtruth Nov 2013 #22

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This is relevant in that in your scenario etherealtruth Nov 2013 #30

If the state was an interested party, it would promote abortion. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #36

The central nervous system isn't intact until 24 weeks in utero. Therefore, JaneyVee Nov 2013 #12

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some handmade34 Nov 2013 #45

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I concur. Auntie Bush Nov 2013 #97

and certainly not a bunch of male politicians Blue_Roses Nov 2013 #102

Legally Mandated Forced Birthing. Is it really ever OK to legally enslave a woman? nt Zorra Nov 2013 #17

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The moment of. n/t gollygee Nov 2013 #25

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I would call it aggravated assault gollygee Nov 2013 #31

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OK so obviously you don't think women CAN be trusted with children gollygee Nov 2013 #39

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This is about whether the government should be involved. athena Nov 2013 #73

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Let me ask you another question. athena Nov 2013 #80

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The spouse is a separate person who isn't getting all the necessities of life gollygee Nov 2013 #86

No one is saying Congress should not make any laws. athena Nov 2013 #90

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yes MattBaggins Nov 2013 #101

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Because it is a separate person at 1 minute gollygee Nov 2013 #49

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tou won't gwt an answer in that Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #33

Purists? gollygee Nov 2013 #37

no, the state is charged with looking Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #41

So long as that baby is getting all food, oxygen, and everything from the women gollygee Nov 2013 #43

ys they are because it is a viable life. Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #50

"I believe that women own their own bodies." ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #75

This is in the context of pregnancy gollygee Nov 2013 #78

In the realm we are discussing, it has no legal interest except post natal interest. Zorra Nov 2013 #51

A second after birth. MattBaggins Nov 2013 #100

Here's a great piece I refer to often... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

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I assume you are in favor of forced organ donations. athena Nov 2013 #26

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So you are in favor of forced abortion but against forced organ donation! athena Nov 2013 #34

You think people don't own their own bodies gollygee Nov 2013 #35

Don't be silly gollygee etherealtruth Nov 2013 #52

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good luck. you're gonna need it. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #59

That's a bit harsh MattBaggins Nov 2013 #103

Where do you place that point? etherealtruth Nov 2013 #62

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I am sure we can agree smoking is a legal activity etherealtruth Nov 2013 #72

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I am one of those funny people that believe woman ... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #91

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I note that you have neglected to answer my questions. athena Nov 2013 #74

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Organ donation preserves existing life etherealtruth Nov 2013 #82

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It is necessary to look at inconsistencies in the reasoning etherealtruth Nov 2013 #89

What if part of an organ or tissue were needed for a newborn baby? gollygee Nov 2013 #83

People die because of organ unavailability. athena Nov 2013 #84

If the technology existed to transplant the fetus to a male MattBaggins Nov 2013 #105

I'm thinking the same thing kydo Nov 2013 #32

Perfectly said. Daemonaquila Nov 2013 #40

Sounds accurate to me etherealtruth Nov 2013 #44

You lost me at "Women have the right to choose whether they will get pregnant or not." cyberswede Nov 2013 #47

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what about rape? n/t kydo Nov 2013 #55

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yeah but what about the fetus? n/t kydo Nov 2013 #61

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then why are you bothering us with this thread? n/t kydo Nov 2013 #66

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right .... kydo Nov 2013 #71

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What about contraceptive failure? uppityperson Nov 2013 #99

also, something that many women on birth control Blue_Roses Nov 2013 #106

let me simplify it for you. choice. that simple. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #56

I suppose whenever viability outside the womb occurs LittleBlue Nov 2013 #60

probably an unpopular view, but it's mine so I'll express it regardless.... mike_c Nov 2013 #64

I love your two cents! etherealtruth Nov 2013 #67

You can add mine in and make it 4 cents. nt Walk away Nov 2013 #104

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Viability will never be 20 weeks or less REP Nov 2013 #79

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It is impossible to "terminate a pregnancy after birth" because there is NO pregnancy then. uppityperson Nov 2013 #98