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lunasun

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68. and like everyone is dropping their kids off because they are consumers....... maybe of food??beds??

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 08:01 PM

Nov 2013

reminds me of the homeless conversation here where some unenlightened asked why relatives just cant take them in
Gee maybe because not everyone has relatives with room or $
or their relatives live in apts. that restrict how many can live there
or gee have no relatives

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Daycare Owner Kills 3-Year-Old Girl Because She Wouldn't Take Off Her Coat [View all] Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 OP

she didnt want to take off coat cause she didnt want to be there? poor baby. so sad. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #1

I agree. Children say a lot through simple actions that they take. That is bluestate10 Nov 2013 #48

yes, kids usually want to take off their coat and make a fuss of putting it on JI7 Nov 2013 #71

What an awful person... Bay Boy Nov 2013 #2

In a civilized world, no child would ever spend a single day in "Day Care"... NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #3

I don't understand. silverweb Nov 2013 #4

Mother sister and self lived with grandmother, a three generation household. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #8

Okay, I get it. silverweb Nov 2013 #11

I get what you're saying Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #14

Indeed, I was referring to an civilized world, an ideal world. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #16

Human cultures in the past didn't have access to transportation systems pnwmom Nov 2013 #35

in a perfect world Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #104

I agree, that is a major point. People seem to think they're entitled to leave home for career. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #105

as a society I think that the road we went down Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #108

I hope we learn. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #109

Or grandpa and/or grandma would be great babysitters dflprincess Nov 2013 #93

Yeah! Hell, we're now into a third generation of "everybody get a job!"... NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #106

I was a latchkey kid Warpy Nov 2013 #17

My perfect world? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #21

Perhaps you see the world you want to see MattBaggins Nov 2013 #26

Who said anything about women versus men? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #33

But if you choose older family members for caregivers, you may risk DHS involvement or worse. moriah Nov 2013 #46

That's not necessarily an ideal situation. Some grandmothers abuse and kill their grandchildren. yardwork Nov 2013 #61

PollyAnna view lunasun Nov 2013 #66

It is awful.and so senseless, however, today just to get, by both parents need to work. You were lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #7

That's a predicament that needs to be challenged. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #10

That change won't happen over night lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #15

my son loves daycare at Kinder Care. It is reputable and has many staff Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #12

I disagree - TBF Nov 2013 #22

Would you not prefer, if society and culture allowed it, to take kids to work or... NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #24

Taking kids to work is just plain silly MattBaggins Nov 2013 #27

Wow. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #28

You could go on and on and on MattBaggins Nov 2013 #30

It depends. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #32

natural schmatural MattBaggins Nov 2013 #38

+1 for reality check lunasun Nov 2013 #81

I think most would prefer it - TBF Nov 2013 #75

What a strange thing to say MattBaggins Nov 2013 #25

Just because the name "day care" didn't exist ... surrealAmerican Nov 2013 #31

No, we called these people "baby-sitters" then -- but they did exist. n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #36

365 days a year baby sitters? 9-5 babysitters??? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #40

I'm not sure this world existed MattBaggins Nov 2013 #41

I'd argue that the 3-generation poor family in a tenament apartment was a better model. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #44

Yes, 9-5 babysitters. They're not a 21st century invention. pnwmom Nov 2013 #43

""we need to look to the past and to other cultures to see how they manage this"" lunasun Nov 2013 #84

So France isn't part of the civilized world? Or the numerous other pnwmom Nov 2013 #39

Read my other replies in support of workplace care. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #42

So you ARE saying that France isn't part of the civilized world, pnwmom Nov 2013 #47

I'm not goint to do this with you, you putting words in my mouth, fuck France. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #52

I was an at-home mother and I never felt the need to have respect pnwmom Nov 2013 #54

This times 1000 Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #70

Some men and women can do it, others can't. We should be supportive of all. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #86

You began all of this by referring to your single mother pnwmom Nov 2013 #95

Agreed. phylny Nov 2013 #103

When my daughter called one of the references pnwmom Nov 2013 #107

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I see your back. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #58

Do you know who that was? pnwmom Nov 2013 #64

Yes. Pay her no mind. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #65

Oh, right. Mothers use daycare because they are so self-absorbed. pnwmom Nov 2013 #59

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your idea of a civilized world sounds like a nightmare for most working women La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #45

Why is this about women? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #50

Some women actually want to work, and are still good mothers, pnwmom Nov 2013 #62

Women who are full-time mothers are working women. Men who are full-time fathers are, too. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #72

Yeah, fine, I forgot the P.C. language. pnwmom Nov 2013 #76

because in reality, if day cares closed women would stay home primarily and not men La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #63

Studies have found kids in quality day care and pre-K programs wickerwoman Nov 2013 #110

yeah, i know. i am pretty well versed in the work-family literature La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #111

I know my daughter has learned a lot from the woman pnwmom Nov 2013 #114

and like everyone is dropping their kids off because they are consumers....... maybe of food??beds?? lunasun Nov 2013 #68

agreed. incredibly burdensome to women's careers. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #69

exactly it was an illogical antiquated view of women with classist undertones imo lunasun Nov 2013 #79

That would be a reasonable choice to make, and one that many parents made in their time. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #80

That's heartbreaking gollygee Nov 2013 #5

Phuck...how awful... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #6

OMG that poor girl and her family!!! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #9

RIP sweet child. What a tragedy on so many levels. Our hearts go out to the parents and other indepat Nov 2013 #13

It should be required that Politicalboi Nov 2013 #18

That poor baby! LeftofObama Nov 2013 #19

Authoritarians are a sick bunch. Rex Nov 2013 #20

Jesus wept nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #23

and the killer smiles proudly frogmarch Nov 2013 #29

I wonder if she, herself, grew up being raised by strangers in a day care center. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #34

Most of us who have experience with childcare givers realize pnwmom Nov 2013 #51

That's gotta be true, every case is different. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #53

My daughter wasn't faced with a poor choice. She's not working because pnwmom Nov 2013 #57

Parents and relatives abuse and kill their children, too. kcr Nov 2013 #67

being in daycare as a child creates MURDERERS elehhhhna Nov 2013 #74

Are you fucking kidding me? Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #82

Good parenting is good. I don't know how else to phrase it. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #83

Bullshit, that's not what you are saying and you know it. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #87

I refuse to defend the culture that requires the middle class to put kids in care. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #90

+1 (n/t) Nevernose Nov 2013 #112

It's a one story house on a slab. Stairs? alphafemale Nov 2013 #37

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oh, my gosh...this is horrible! Blue_Roses Nov 2013 #56

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Yeah seriously! You have to wonder what is wrong with some people! Initech Nov 2013 #77

Interesting how the OP became a forum for denigrating mothers pnwmom Nov 2013 #78

Or for arguing against parents being good parents. It's possible to be both. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #85

You have been repeatedly denigrating mothers who hire "strangers" -- pnwmom Nov 2013 #88

I've consistently used the term "parents" and "mom" and "dad" interchangably. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #92

You only don't blame parents when they're faced with "poor choices." pnwmom Nov 2013 #96

Pre school age children? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #97

YES! Even BABIES! I think both parents should be able pnwmom Nov 2013 #98

Who accused anyone of anything? I see the problem now. Clarification: this is not about you. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #100

You said: "In a civilized world, no child would ever pnwmom Nov 2013 #101

Not retracting. "where the child has to be left with strangers" connotes a lack of choice. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #102

yeah, i know. La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #89

If the perp had used a gun nothing else would have been discussed The Straight Story Nov 2013 #94

yes -why they are not even "civilized"! lunasun Nov 2013 #113

I just hope the police didn't get a false confession out of that woman. mucifer Nov 2013 #91

I slipped going down the stairs many many times as a child. pnwmom Nov 2013 #99