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In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)8. Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on another tape...
"Adversity doesn't build character, it reveals it." -- Anonymous.
Me, too, gopiscrap. So, talking about pressure:

'Go in there and frig around with the missiles, you're screwed'
The moment general mocked JFK behind his back at the height of Cuban Missile Crisis caught on tape
By DANIEL BATES
The Mail
24 September 2012
It was the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the nation was supposed to be pulling together.
But John F Kennedys top generals were actually bad-mouthing him behind his back - whilst standing in the White House.
When the former US President left the room Marine Corps Commandant General David Shoup said that Mr Kennedy was doing things piecemeal and needed a talking to.
SNIP...
But the tapes reveal that after Mr Kennedy and Defence Secretary Robert McNamara went out the room, General Shoup launched into his own tirade - without realising the tape was still running.
CONTINUED...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207946/Revealed-JFKs-stabbing-generals-mocked-President-battled-avoid-regarded-trigger-happy-Americans-lost-Berlin.html
I posted this previously on DU, because I find it odd that this is never mentioned in my hometown newspaper nor in any history book I've seen in school. They must want us to forget something important. Thanks for remembering to ask "Why?", gopiscrap.
Me, too, gopiscrap. So, talking about pressure:

'Go in there and frig around with the missiles, you're screwed'
The moment general mocked JFK behind his back at the height of Cuban Missile Crisis caught on tape
By DANIEL BATES
The Mail
24 September 2012
It was the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis and the nation was supposed to be pulling together.
But John F Kennedys top generals were actually bad-mouthing him behind his back - whilst standing in the White House.
When the former US President left the room Marine Corps Commandant General David Shoup said that Mr Kennedy was doing things piecemeal and needed a talking to.
SNIP...
But the tapes reveal that after Mr Kennedy and Defence Secretary Robert McNamara went out the room, General Shoup launched into his own tirade - without realising the tape was still running.
CONTINUED...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207946/Revealed-JFKs-stabbing-generals-mocked-President-battled-avoid-regarded-trigger-happy-Americans-lost-Berlin.html
I posted this previously on DU, because I find it odd that this is never mentioned in my hometown newspaper nor in any history book I've seen in school. They must want us to forget something important. Thanks for remembering to ask "Why?", gopiscrap.
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JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all]
Octafish
Nov 2013
OP
How could Bundy have possibly known there was no conspiracy when Oswald was arrested?
Sanity Claws
Nov 2013
#1
James Galbraith wrote his dad, John Kenneth Galbraith, made the arrangements...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#103
Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on another tape...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#8
If JFK had to put up with this sh*t, what do imagine President Obama has to face? nt
kelliekat44
Nov 2013
#59
That's all Mr. Kelly said on that. Others at the conference expressed the opinion LBJ...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#6
You are a very respected DUer Octafish, one of the most respected, in fact one of the reasons
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#88
The "new tape" was released in Jan '12. And the article shows it's not a lie
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#43
The salient information from the new tape is LeMay lied about his whereabouts (REPOST).
Octafish
Nov 2013
#45
It's relevant because it was edited out of the tapes in the National Archives.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#49
The conversation between LBJ, Ladybird, and Rose Kennedy was also edited out, Octafish.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#50
No. LeMay disobeyed an order to fly to Andrews AFB. All the rest of that is what you say.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#55
The log puts 'NOT' in all caps, meaning Le May is not going where he was ordered.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#60
But what you are saying is insubordination is not insubordination, Octafish.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#63
Something to remember to ask when going over all this: Why was LeMay in Canada?
Octafish
Nov 2013
#64
No. I'm just wondering why he had to be picked up hundreds of miles away in Canada.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#67
Which is why Dulles and Lemnitzer counseled all-out nuclear sneak attack on USSR
Octafish
Nov 2013
#72
And so how did the all-out nuclear attack on USSR go after Kennedy was out of the way? n/t
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#73
THE TAKE-AWAY: JFK stood up to the Cold War hawks who counseled war -- EVERY TIME.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#74
You mean they killed Kennedy to get a nuclear war and then they didn't get one?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#76
Yes, to introduce some much needed levity to this discussion. Nevertheless
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#101
A recurring theme throughout Kennedy's term in office seems to be the Pentagon's 'desire' for a.....
LongTomH
Nov 2013
#32
So how did that late 1963 preemptive nuclear strike work out for the Pentagon?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#39
Interesting collection of books, including Michio Kaku and Daniel Axelrod's...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#38
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bobthedrummer
Nov 2013
#81
CNN Failed to Credit Bill Kelly's role in their report on the Air Force One tapes.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#104