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Showing Original Post only (View all)Charles P. Pierce: Nat'l Democrats - Wrong. Very wrong. Incredibly wrong. Spectacularly wrong. [View all]
The Lessons Of The Past Forgotten
By Charles P. Pierce at 2:30pm
The national Democratic party can be depended upon to punch its own nose with startling regularity.
National Democrats stand by the decision not to play seriously in New Jersey, according to several who spoke with The Daily Beast. The calculation was two-fold, they said. First, the money required just to land a punch on Christie in the pricey New York and Philadelphia media markets could fund an entire campaign somewhere or sometime else when a Democrat had a chance of winning. "When you have someone this powerful and this popular, you shrug it off and wait for the next one," a top Democratic donor said of Christie. "It's not worth the financial investment to try to take him down or out."Second, Democrats firmly believe that no matter how strong Christie looks on Election Day 2013 in New Jersey, the Republican nominating gauntlet will eat his 2016 presidential candidacy alive before he ever gets a chance to face off against a Democrat in a general election. "When it comes to national elections, we've seen how efficient and effective Republicans are at destroying each other's reputations, so I'll leave it to them," said Robert Zimmerman, a national committeeman for the DNC. "Chris Christie is a very powerful national candidate, but the question is can a mainstream Republican be elected by the Republican Party today? No."
National Democrats stand by the decision not to play seriously in New Jersey, according to several who spoke with The Daily Beast. The calculation was two-fold, they said. First, the money required just to land a punch on Christie in the pricey New York and Philadelphia media markets could fund an entire campaign somewhere or sometime else when a Democrat had a chance of winning. "When you have someone this powerful and this popular, you shrug it off and wait for the next one," a top Democratic donor said of Christie. "It's not worth the financial investment to try to take him down or out."Second, Democrats firmly believe that no matter how strong Christie looks on Election Day 2013 in New Jersey, the Republican nominating gauntlet will eat his 2016 presidential candidacy alive before he ever gets a chance to face off against a Democrat in a general election. "When it comes to national elections, we've seen how efficient and effective Republicans are at destroying each other's reputations, so I'll leave it to them," said Robert Zimmerman, a national committeeman for the DNC. "Chris Christie is a very powerful national candidate, but the question is can a mainstream Republican be elected by the Republican Party today? No."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/05/why-national-democrats-rolled-over-for-chris-christie.html
Wrong.
Wrong.
Very wrong.
Incredibly wrong.
Spectacularly wrong.
Also, stupid.
First of all, according to the latest NBC News/WSJ Poll, Christie's numbers are plummeting just like those of every other candidate. He's at 33 percent favorable right now. This is not a "powerful national candidate." He's weak and he's insecure and you can make him pop his cork as predictably as Old Faithful. In fact, your job, Democratic panjandrums, was to make him a national candidate before he is ready to be one. It was to make him a national candidate on your timetable, not his. Define, define, define. Spend whatever it takes to do that. Second, as Steve M. relentlessly points out, the Tea Party folk don't necessarily like the fact that Christie spent quality time with the Kenyan Usurper, but they love, love, love the way Big Chicken bullies the helpless and powerless. To hate like that gives their lives meaning, and Christie is a perfect vessel for that. They'll settle for that more easily than they settled for Willard Romney, god knows. So depending on the Tea Party folk to bring him down is to gamble high on phantoms.
This is the same ghastly strategy that aided and abetted the rise of C-Plus Augustus in Texas. It was their one opportunity to bloody him up, to wound him with ridicule until he (predictably) explodes, before the tingle rises up Chris Matthews's leg. That was worth anything they could have spent. And what campaigns, precisely, elsewhere in the country, was the Democratic party spending its money on that were so important that they took precedence over blowing out at least one tire on the Christie bandwagon? If you can't learn from the mistakes you made that helped elect George W. Bush, an intervention is clearly called for.
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Charles P. Pierce: Nat'l Democrats - Wrong. Very wrong. Incredibly wrong. Spectacularly wrong. [View all]
kpete
Nov 2013
OP
at some point, New Jersey Democrats have to lead the way in their own state
geek tragedy
Nov 2013
#5
EXACTLY!! This isn't about the DNC!! Jersey Democrats had been licking CC's ass
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#19
Exactly. NJ Dems went after the legislature seats, leaving CC to beat up on Cruz and Jebby. nt
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#38
It's a shame because Barbara Buono is a decent person. I was proud to vote for her today.
smokey nj
Nov 2013
#7
She's an amazing woman and an amazing candidate. I wouldn't blame her at all
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#20
Yes, but the NJ Democrats should have backed her from the beginning. They didn't!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#60
They must have feel too tired to revenge vote against this union buster, teacher hater.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#62
Right! Exactly! People can wrongly blame national Democrats all they want.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#92
I don't care about Obama and Christie. They are state level Democrats.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#91
^^^^This is the correct answer. We are played like fools by corporatists in both parties.^^^^
woo me with science
Nov 2013
#52
I posted exactly the same thought yesterday. I found an article that ever-so-briefly
Ninga
Nov 2013
#10
And again, I keep seeing this fallacy that Barbara Buono was a weak candidate.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#17
His win is the fault of the people of NJ, but we as Democrats should seek to intervene and attempt
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#28
Thats why a national committeeman was quoted in the article, because it was the illuminati
DireStrike
Nov 2013
#32
Why National Democrats rolled over for CC? Because NJ Democrats did!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#18
No. It was not the other way around, and Barbara Buono called them out on it.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#93
Perhaps this a good place for progressives to field a third party candidate?
Baitball Blogger
Nov 2013
#13
No!! It's a good place for Democrats to field progressive Democrats!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#21
We will most assuredly be disappointed. I already have been. He's the corporate class' guy.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#35
Excuses, excuses. Blue Dogs are starting to lose races. I've told the story of Donna Edwards'
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#56
The first time I'll disagree with Charlie because it's not just the DNC.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#15
Yeah, I keep hearing Democrats falsely accuse her of being a bad candidate simply because she didn't
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#58
The people were behind him. He had a huge coalition, name recognition, a presence. By the time Buono
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#69
I loved her during the debates. She did not allow him to intimidate her at all. In fact, he seemed
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#71
Your main flaw is assuming policies count, it's all about the persona of the person.
CK_John
Nov 2013
#22
Debbie Weaselman-Schlitz wouldn't even bother to endorse Florida Dem Congressional candidates,
Fuddnik
Nov 2013
#25
Debbie W. insulted Dem candidate (against Adam Putnam). Refused to support him. 2008
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#29
Also they ignored 2 other great candidates we supported with our donations and more.
madfloridian
Nov 2013
#41
I see I'm not the only person feeling uneasy about the way the whole Dem
senseandsensibility
Nov 2013
#40
Sorry...I told the Democratic Governor's Association not to give her a penny.....
brooklynite
Nov 2013
#55
The game is to prop up that egomaniac and get the Republicans to pick him as their next loser.
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2013
#66
The money that buys our party wouldn't let Howard Dean continue the fighting spirit
loudsue
Nov 2013
#87
It's the Dems way of indicating the conservative candidate is closer to their ideology..without
NorthCarolina
Nov 2013
#94
I think Democratic Leadership needs to attend local city council meetings in GOP areas
SleeplessinSoCal
Nov 2013
#99