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brooklynite

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55. Sorry...I told the Democratic Governor's Association not to give her a penny.....

Tue Nov 5, 2013, 10:14 PM

Nov 2013

I'm not a fan of Christie (although apparently a LOT of NJ Democrats are), but campaign $$$ aren't infinite, and the Party helps those where it will make a difference. If you're losing by 20-30% consistently through the campaign, how many millions would you need to shift those numbers considerably? And which winnable 2014 races would you take that money away from?

I read a lot of folks here complaining that we don't run "real" Democrats. Well, why didn't Frank Pallone run? or Rush Holt? Barbara Buono was the only person willing to take Christie on, and she was an inadequate candidate (I met her personally. She's nice, but not impressive). If you want a competitive election that DGA or DNC or the President can make a difference in, find a better candidate.

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Charles P. Pierce: Nat'l Democrats - Wrong. Very wrong. Incredibly wrong. Spectacularly wrong. [View all] kpete Nov 2013 OP

k/r Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #1

Rec, because it's just fucking stupid. Autumn Nov 2013 #2

Could not agree more with Mr Pierce. trumad Nov 2013 #3

Yes please. Bring Howard back. n/t pa28 Nov 2013 #11

There was a reason he was shown the door. SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #33

please elaborate.... dhill926 Nov 2013 #36

Howard Dean believed in the 50 state strategy. SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #80

Don't be coy.... cui bono Nov 2013 #79

Howard Dean believed in the 50 state strategy. SchmerzImArsch Nov 2013 #81

Too cryptic! HenryWallace Nov 2013 #97

Dammit, kpete - I was salivating over posting this one myself! bullwinkle428 Nov 2013 #4

at some point, New Jersey Democrats have to lead the way in their own state geek tragedy Nov 2013 #5

EXACTLY!! This isn't about the DNC!! Jersey Democrats had been licking CC's ass Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #19

Exactly. NJ Dems went after the legislature seats, leaving CC to beat up on Cruz and Jebby. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #38

A Corzine primary challenge in 2009 would have prevented Christie tabbycat31 Nov 2013 #57

Maybe preventing Christie was not a priority. merrily Nov 2013 #82

Appears stupid on the surface, bvar22 Nov 2013 #6

It's a shame because Barbara Buono is a decent person. I was proud to vote for her today. smokey nj Nov 2013 #7

She's an amazing woman and an amazing candidate. I wouldn't blame her at all Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #20

The DNC should have helped her more back when she started 30 pts. down. ancianita Nov 2013 #34

Yes, but the NJ Democrats should have backed her from the beginning. They didn't! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #60

They must have feel too tired to revenge vote against this union buster, teacher hater. ancianita Nov 2013 #62

Right! Exactly! People can wrongly blame national Democrats all they want. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #92

Maybe they were not supposed to. merrily Nov 2013 #86

I don't care about Obama and Christie. They are state level Democrats. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #91

+2 of us Euphoria Nov 2013 #47

+1 The Democrats aren't stupid leftstreet Nov 2013 #8

^^^^This is the correct answer. We are played like fools by corporatists in both parties.^^^^ woo me with science Nov 2013 #52

Hear, hear! chervilant Nov 2013 #95

explain? flamingdem Nov 2013 #59

I posted exactly the same thought yesterday. I found an article that ever-so-briefly Ninga Nov 2013 #10

And again, I keep seeing this fallacy that Barbara Buono was a weak candidate. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #17

she was powerful in the debates hopemountain Nov 2013 #100

Oy. Stating that the national democratic party is in a conspiracy geek tragedy Nov 2013 #23

His win is the fault of the people of NJ, but we as Democrats should seek to intervene and attempt Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #28

In a world where the Democratic party has infinite resources, sure. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30

Oh yeah, slimmed down 34% approval Christie McCaullife. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #42

Thats why a national committeeman was quoted in the article, because it was the illuminati DireStrike Nov 2013 #32

+100000 You bet it does. woo me with science Nov 2013 #53

The Daily Beast said the same thing this morning: bvar22 Nov 2013 #9

Why National Democrats rolled over for CC? Because NJ Democrats did!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #18

Or was it the other way around? merrily Nov 2013 #85

No. It was not the other way around, and Barbara Buono called them out on it. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #93

"before the tingle rises up Chris Matthews's leg" KamaAina Nov 2013 #12

I'm afraid that train had already left the station. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #16

Perhaps this a good place for progressives to field a third party candidate? Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #13

No!! It's a good place for Democrats to field progressive Democrats!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #21

I'll donate to the cause. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #26

We will most assuredly be disappointed. I already have been. He's the corporate class' guy. ancianita Nov 2013 #35

Do you honestly believe that the DLC establishment would allow it? DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #46

Excuses, excuses. Blue Dogs are starting to lose races. I've told the story of Donna Edwards' Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #56

I totally agree! arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #14

The first time I'll disagree with Charlie because it's not just the DNC. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #15

Of course I agree with Charlie, but your posts are getting to me.. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #37

Yeah, I keep hearing Democrats falsely accuse her of being a bad candidate simply because she didn't Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #58

Just look at de Blasio in NYC, Dems weren't afraid to support him! flamingdem Nov 2013 #61

The people were behind him. He had a huge coalition, name recognition, a presence. By the time Buono Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #69

She did well considering and I really liked her flamingdem Nov 2013 #70

I loved her during the debates. She did not allow him to intimidate her at all. In fact, he seemed Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #71

Your main flaw is assuming policies count, it's all about the persona of the person. CK_John Nov 2013 #22

True That! Rain Mcloud Nov 2013 #27

Policies count plenty dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #68

''We are led by the least among us....'' ~Terence McKenna - K&R n/t DeSwiss Nov 2013 #24

Debbie Weaselman-Schlitz wouldn't even bother to endorse Florida Dem Congressional candidates, Fuddnik Nov 2013 #25

Debbie W. insulted Dem candidate (against Adam Putnam). Refused to support him. 2008 madfloridian Nov 2013 #29

I remember that. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #39

Also they ignored 2 other great candidates we supported with our donations and more. madfloridian Nov 2013 #41

They put it to Jan Schneider too. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #49

Ah, I forgot Jan. We met with and supported her with our donations. madfloridian Nov 2013 #54

EMILY's list works very closely with the Democratic Party. merrily Nov 2013 #84

Breaking.....Ehrlich drops out. Fuddnik Nov 2013 #96

" C-Plus Augustus"... AzDar Nov 2013 #31

I see I'm not the only person feeling uneasy about the way the whole Dem senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #40

+1 Thank you. n/t markpkessinger Nov 2013 #51

YAY! Third Way, bringing the Party to its (bi-partisan) knees. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #43

National DEMs: When you have the goppers on the mat, stop fighting, SDjack Nov 2013 #44

Reminder to National Democrats: Z_California Nov 2013 #45

Thanks DNC! BillyRibs Nov 2013 #48

Howard Dean wouldn't have made that mistake. calimary Nov 2013 #50

Sorry...I told the Democratic Governor's Association not to give her a penny..... brooklynite Nov 2013 #55

Interesting. Thanks for the post. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #101

Agreed Roarybeans Nov 2013 #63

Yep... K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #64

Fight for every seat. aquart Nov 2013 #65

The game is to prop up that egomaniac and get the Republicans to pick him as their next loser. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #66

"Please proceed, Governor..." spooky3 Nov 2013 #73

See his speech? He'll proceed all night long. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #74

I mean--proceed to try to get the nomination and self-destruct. spooky3 Nov 2013 #75

Exactly,...with a string of 50 page speeches. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #76

Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #67

The more democrats embrace Christie, the more the repub base will hate him ecstatic Nov 2013 #72

The amount of falling in line the TeaPubliKlans do is way underrated. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #78

Conservatives are making the exact same complaint about National Republicans frazzled Nov 2013 #77

Whether they were wrong or not depends on what their goal was. merrily Nov 2013 #83

The money that buys our party wouldn't let Howard Dean continue the fighting spirit loudsue Nov 2013 #87

Christie Had No Coattails DallasNE Nov 2013 #88

The 4th estate ctsnowman Nov 2013 #89

This bullshit is back again? Have these guys... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #90

It's the Dems way of indicating the conservative candidate is closer to their ideology..without NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #94

Yes.. DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #98

I think Democratic Leadership needs to attend local city council meetings in GOP areas SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2013 #99