Have democrats largely given up on protecting a woman's right to choose?

[Ms. Toad]

196. If you don't see it, then you are not reading very carefully.

Just look at the responses to my post, or anyone else who expresses the opinion that at some point before birth we are talking about two lives. But read any thread here and you will not see anything other descriptions of what is being aborted as a clump of cells, a fetus, an embryo, a parasite. None of us think of a wanted child in those terms.

That position is intellectually dishonest, and insisting on it prevents any progress beyond whoever has the most votes controls the right to an abortion.

I don't know that we'll ever reach agreement as a country - even if we manage to have an intellectually honest conversation. I do know that we won't ever get beyond a most-votes stalemate as long as we insist that being wanted magically transforms a fetus/clump of cells/embryo/parasite into a child.