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1StrongBlackMan

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81. I can understand ...

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:45 AM

Nov 2013

but I would hazard to guess (based on having tracked the favorability/unfavorability and Obstructionist/Compromising polling through the shut-down) the political capital that he was losing with Democratic partisans, he was gaining with the independent and "semi-sane" republicans that Democrats need to win back the House in 2014 because of the 2010 gerrymandering.

IOW, I think this is a lesson in "When GOTV isn't enough."

I think the political calculus for winning the House in 2014 was/is/has been whether to attempt to grow Democratic support in those mostly white, mostly male, +6-10 (republican) districts (a very expensive endeavor); or to dissuade/split up the non-base vote in those districts (much less expensive).

Now ... I suspect that (and will be proven correct when/if) the Democratic party fields and spends heavy in support of "moderate" Democratic candidates (that have a shot to win those districts) in 2014 ... Likewise, the Democratic Party will spend heavy in House districts with vulnerable Democrats.

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I'd like to congratulate the Democratic Establishment on tonight's victory in NJ [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 OP

+ 100000000000000000000 russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #1

can you tell me who those prominent Democrats are, or give me a link? lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #2

Added to the OP. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #5

Thanks Manny lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #7

amen DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #3

It's so disgusting. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #4

yep. CC's viewpoints and policies go in direct assault of NJ's majority. So, it's sickening to see Divine Discontent Nov 2013 #8

And Buono, the Democrat, received no help from the DNC, who stated their reasons as 'it wouldn't sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #56

There's something to be said for maintaining party infrastructure JHB Nov 2013 #75

There's also something to be said for having consistent principles and fighting for them. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #86

A sort of related question: What can the left do about the "lesser of evils" situations rhett o rick Nov 2013 #88

Yep... WillyT Nov 2013 #6

Who the Hell endorses a bully like Christie? Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #9

Question ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #10

This is a trick question, right? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #11

Resources ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #13

How much does an endorsement cost? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #16

Very little ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #20

Integrity. MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #21

okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #22

Remember Dr. Dean's losing 50-State Strategy? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #23

Okay n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #27

+1! -nt CrispyQ Nov 2013 #85

Obama has LOST political capital with this New Jerseyan by not standing up for Buono. Jim Lane Nov 2013 #68

I can understand ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #81

You've correctly summarized Obama's and the Democratic Party's strategy during his first term. Jim Lane Nov 2013 #83

I understand where you're coming from ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #89

What the fuck does that have to do with the OP? n/t Moses2SandyKoufax Nov 2013 #12

A lot. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #14

I would prefer both. How about you? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #57

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #77

I don't agree with you at all. Buono btw, isn't the only Dem who could have run but too bad Dems sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #87

That cant be a serious question. Those arent the only two choices. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #65

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #79

Strategic politics by National DEMs? Use Christi as a self-driving wedge to split right-center GOPs SDjack Nov 2013 #15

More 11ty-dimensional chess? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #17

Yep, Moses2SandyKoufax Nov 2013 #19

Christie winning with such a large margin is also useful if he wants to go further Chathamization Nov 2013 #61

The economy is 100 times better than on Jan 20, 2009 scheming daemons Nov 2013 #94

I think you are correct n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2013 #82

Oh Manny, you'd never succeed politically. joshcryer Nov 2013 #18

if what politics is what it is today who the hell would want to be in it? You lose your soul. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #24

when was it better ? JI7 Nov 2013 #25

Congressional approval ratings have never been lower and although democrats fare better than liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #29

It takes a special type. joshcryer Nov 2013 #28

Are you insinuating that Senator Warren sold out? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #32

Nope. joshcryer Nov 2013 #33

Then what was the purpose of that picture? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #42

I just hope she is stronger than Obama. Obama looked like a liberal until he started listening to liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #36

Obama never looked like a liberal. joshcryer Nov 2013 #39

Obama is the same as he has always been, in 2004, in 2008 as candidate JI7 Nov 2013 #52

And your credentials are??? Logical Nov 2013 #26

Armchair political observer. joshcryer Nov 2013 #31

I know this is a backhanded slap from you, Manny RobertEarl Nov 2013 #30

They both share mutual friends on Wall Street n/t Oilwellian Nov 2013 #38

I seen them hookers on Wall Street RobertEarl Nov 2013 #54

Under Dean, Democrats won the House, the Senate, and the Presidency MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #45

See? They went too far. RobertEarl Nov 2013 #50

You're giving Howard Dean credit for Obama winning the White House? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59

I'd rather thank them for taking an actually WINNABLE seat in Virginia Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #34

"Manny world" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #40

here's an interesting read for you Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #44

Yes, and... ? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #46

it was over before it began. nothing to gain politically for ANYONE to endorse her Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #49

What did you think of Dr. Dean's 50-State Strategy? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

I thought it was the key to victory in 2006 and 2008. Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #53

Would Dr. Dean have endorsed Christie? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #55

You're joking, right? scheming daemons Nov 2013 #92

That's rich coming from you... The way you constantly bash many Democrats scheming daemons Nov 2013 #91

"Manny World"!... SidDithers Nov 2013 #72

Buono calls out Democratic political bosses Oilwellian Nov 2013 #35

She's right... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #47

So, wtf? Dems went to the polls and voted for Christie?... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #37

Obama didn't endorse the Democratic candidate? How is that possible? n/t Smarmie Doofus Nov 2013 #41

Christie touts 50th Democratic endorsement Oilwellian Nov 2013 #43

Thanks. But I can't find an answer to my question in the link. Smarmie Doofus Nov 2013 #74

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #48

So you're blaming the national party for what 50 local NJ Democrats did? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #58

No. Phlem Nov 2013 #62

The NJ Democrats went rogue? MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #63

And I thought only Teabaggers geek tragedy Nov 2013 #64

Please, do enlighten us Oilwellian Nov 2013 #67

You can't stand Obama, and you consider him a negative... Yet you are upset he didn't endorse? scheming daemons Nov 2013 #93

Manny your killing me! Phlem Nov 2013 #60

Scumsucking centrist traitors. Reagan "Democrats" sell us out again. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #66

Nothing surprises me anymore. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #69

Aww relax RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #70

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #71

! xchrom Nov 2013 #73

Color me, unsurprised. 99Forever Nov 2013 #76

And Democrats don't come much more prominent than the Mayor of Palmyra (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #78

Some one knows very little about NJ politics. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #80

They'll be writing a new book "What's The Matter With New Jersey?" B Calm Nov 2013 #84

It's the lefty liberal bases fault! boston bean Nov 2013 #90