Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: John Kerry: Up to Saudi Arabia to decide if women should be allowed to drive [View all]ancianita
(37,683 posts)167. "It was up to them" covers up the fact that they lost a LOT of disinvestment money over apartheid.
THAT's what influenced the 'them' it was supposedly up to. "Up to them" presupposes they just up and changed their minds one day. It didn't happen that way.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
199 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
John Kerry: Up to Saudi Arabia to decide if women should be allowed to drive [View all]
cali
Nov 2013
OP
So. What happens if the USA disapproves and leaders in Saudi Arabia still don't
bluestate10
Nov 2013
#122
what makes you think the words in any meeting had about this would be posted?
leftyohiolib
Nov 2013
#12
If it was Whites Males not being allowed to drive, the bombs would already be falling on Riyadh.
Ikonoklast
Nov 2013
#13
It was a horrible horrible time for Iraq, and a long string of horror after that.
Whisp
Nov 2013
#54
Let me be the first one to inform you that the 2008 campaign finished over 5 years ago.
Beacool
Nov 2013
#112
Keep denying that she has an enviable resume, you're only making a fool of yourself.
Beacool
Nov 2013
#109
Speaking privately to them is NOT the same as stating that position to the press
karynnj
Nov 2013
#128
Privately....yet, some are attacking Kerry when they haven't a clue what is going on
blm
Nov 2013
#172
The far Left has it's rose colored glasses on. Kerry clearly said that Saudi women
bluestate10
Nov 2013
#129
Not to mention angering the Prince on this would defeat the entire reason he was there -
karynnj
Nov 2013
#134
Right, and we should suck up to Russia so they don't get more angry at LGBT Russians
NuclearDem
Nov 2013
#194
Uh, it's the sentence that starts with 'But' that should be an issue for everyone...
Violet_Crumble
Nov 2013
#151
Yea? So? Diplomats are suppose to speak diplomatically when addressing such issues.
phleshdef
Nov 2013
#150
I hope anyone who disagrees with Kerry's approach will explain how we can force
ecstatic
Nov 2013
#70
South Africa didn't have the world economy by the balls the way Saudi Arabia
bluestate10
Nov 2013
#133
The anti-apartheid movement was one of the largest anti-racist movement in human history.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#148
Hey John, is that what you said about South African apartheid as well? 'It's up to them!!!!'
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2013
#81
"It was up to them" covers up the fact that they lost a LOT of disinvestment money over apartheid.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#167
they should be careful , and the sanctions are because of the nuclear program, but at least
JI7
Nov 2013
#161
That would be a great way to improve our relations with them - which is why he was there
karynnj
Nov 2013
#135
Evidently you think threatening people is not an optimum way to get them to do things
Fumesucker
Nov 2013
#164
What beautiful ignorance of reality. We let Saudi Arabia do whatever they want because we need...
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#147
We "let" as far as it is profitable.In SA's case, we didn't impose sanctions; major groups here dis-
ancianita
Nov 2013
#169
Why is the liberal desire of half this country's population controversial when it comes to a SoS
ancianita
Nov 2013
#170
Some? This is another convenient wall of diminishment that reveals subtle sexism.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#182
The reporter who asked his take "on women driving in Saudi Arabia" was grubbing for a headline
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#143
So basically what you're saying is his job as SoS is to be a lapdog for whoever he's visiting.
Gravitycollapse
Nov 2013
#146
IN London - as a private citizen -saying something close to 100% of Americans agree on?
karynnj
Nov 2013
#196
In classic male diplomaticspeak, yes. When thought is given to half the populations' struggle there,
ancianita
Nov 2013
#171
Read: Male diplomat is diplomatic to male-dominated resource control within and across countries.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#174
More diplomatic pressure than Kerry gave. What the hell do you think I'm talking about.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#185