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In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)37. It looks like that was their plan in Dallas, too, doesn't it?
"General Lemnitzer stated that the assumption of this year's study was a surprise attack in late 1963, preceded by a period of heightened tensions." -- Col. Howard Burris
Did the U.S. Military Plan a Nuclear First Strike for 1963?
Recently declassified information shows that the military presented President Kennedy with a plan for a surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in the early 1960s.
James K. Galbraith and Heather A. Purcell
The American Prospect | September 21, 1994
During the early 1960s the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) introduced the world to the possibility of instant total war. Thirty years later, no nation has yet fired any nuclear missile at a real target. Orthodox history holds that a succession of defensive nuclear doctrines and strategies -- from "massive retaliation" to "mutual assured destruction" -- worked, almost seamlessly, to deter Soviet aggression against the United States and to prevent the use of nuclear weapons.
The possibility of U.S. aggression in nuclear conflict is seldom considered. And why should it be? Virtually nothing in the public record suggests that high U.S. authorities ever contemplated a first strike against the Soviet Union, except in response to a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, or that they doubted the deterrent power of Soviet nuclear forces. The main documented exception was the Air Force Chief of Staff in the early 1960s, Curtis LeMay, a seemingly idiosyncratic case.
But beginning in 1957 the U.S. military did prepare plans for a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.S.R., based on our growing lead in land-based missiles. And top military and intelligence leaders presented an assessment of those plans to President John F. Kennedy in July of 1961. At that time, some high Air Force and CIA leaders apparently believed that a window of outright ballistic missile superiority, perhaps sufficient for a successful first strike, would be open in late 1963.
The document reproduced opposite is published here for the first time. It describes a meeting of the National Security Council on July 20, 1961. At that meeting, the document shows, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the director of the CIA, and others presented plans for a surprise attack. They answered some questions from Kennedy about timing and effects, and promised further information. The meeting recessed under a presidential injunction of secrecy that has not been broken until now.
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http://prospect.org/article/did-us-military-plan-nuclear-first-strike-1963
Here's the memo:
TOP SECRET EYES ONLY
Notes on National Security Council Meeting July 20, 1961
General Hickey, Chairman of the Net Evaluation Subcommittee, presented the annual report of his group. General Lemnitzer stated that the assumption of this year's study was a surprise attack in late 1963, preceded by a period of heightened tensions.
After the presentation by General Hickey and by the various members of the Subcommittee, the President asked if there had ever been made an assessment of damage results to the U.S.S.R which would be incurred by a preemptive attack. General Lemnitzer stated that such studies had been made and that he would bring them over and discuss them personally with the President. In recalling General Hickey's opening statement that these studies have been made since 1957, the President asked for an appraisal of the trend in the effectiveness of the attack. General Lemnitzer replied that he would also discuss this with the President.
Since the basic assumption of this year's presentation was an attack in late 1963, the President asked about probable effects in the winter of 1962. Mr. Dulles observed that the attack would be much less effective since there would be considerably fewer missiles involved. General Lemnitzer added a word of caution about accepting the precise findings of the Committee since these findings were based upon certain assumptions which themselves might not be valid.
The President posed the question as to the period of time necessary for citizens to remain in shelters following an attack. A member of the Subcommittee replied that no specific period of time could be cited due to the variables involved, but generally speaking, a period of two weeks should be expected.
The President directed that no member in attendance at the meeting disclose even the subject of the meeting.
Declassified: June, 1993
SOURCE: http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Essay_-_Did_the_US_Military_Plan_a_Nuclear_First_Strike_for_1963
Ha ha. Always with the plausible deniability. It is to laugh.
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JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all]
Octafish
Nov 2013
OP
How could Bundy have possibly known there was no conspiracy when Oswald was arrested?
Sanity Claws
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Octafish
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Octafish
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#8
If JFK had to put up with this sh*t, what do imagine President Obama has to face? nt
kelliekat44
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#59
That's all Mr. Kelly said on that. Others at the conference expressed the opinion LBJ...
Octafish
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#6
You are a very respected DUer Octafish, one of the most respected, in fact one of the reasons
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#88
The "new tape" was released in Jan '12. And the article shows it's not a lie
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#43
The salient information from the new tape is LeMay lied about his whereabouts (REPOST).
Octafish
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#45
It's relevant because it was edited out of the tapes in the National Archives.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#49
The conversation between LBJ, Ladybird, and Rose Kennedy was also edited out, Octafish.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#50
No. LeMay disobeyed an order to fly to Andrews AFB. All the rest of that is what you say.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#55
The log puts 'NOT' in all caps, meaning Le May is not going where he was ordered.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#60
But what you are saying is insubordination is not insubordination, Octafish.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#63
Something to remember to ask when going over all this: Why was LeMay in Canada?
Octafish
Nov 2013
#64
No. I'm just wondering why he had to be picked up hundreds of miles away in Canada.
Octafish
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#67
Which is why Dulles and Lemnitzer counseled all-out nuclear sneak attack on USSR
Octafish
Nov 2013
#72
And so how did the all-out nuclear attack on USSR go after Kennedy was out of the way? n/t
Bolo Boffin
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#73
THE TAKE-AWAY: JFK stood up to the Cold War hawks who counseled war -- EVERY TIME.
Octafish
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#74
You mean they killed Kennedy to get a nuclear war and then they didn't get one?
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Yes, to introduce some much needed levity to this discussion. Nevertheless
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