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stevenleser

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87. If you don't want to talk about the comparison, don't bring it up.

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 12:36 AM

Nov 2013

If Greenwald and Assange are such big men who speak truth to power, then they should seek to expose the corruption and spying in Russia and China.

If they have all this power and influence you attribute to them, it should be no big deal. There are tons of examples of it.

The fact is, they're cowards who picked on the only one country out of the big three that won't kill them for it.

They're nothing. Assange and Greenwald are people who printed things that other people stole that was only news for people who weren't paying attention.

You're right about one thing. I'm nothing like them. I'm not a coward. If I decided my mission in life was to expose the misdeeds of countries and display them internationally, I'd start with the largest and worst offenders. I wouldnt start down on the list with the country that wouldn't pose a danger to my life.

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Wikileak's Sarah Harrison, Snowden asylum assistant now in exile [View all] Luminous Animal Nov 2013 OP

Wow! Powerful read .Big K&R nt riderinthestorm Nov 2013 #1

For all the talk about protecting those who speak truth to power Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #2

You haven't followed Wikileaks work, have you? No one has been spared from Whistle Blowers sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #8

Crumbs compared to the scale of it there. Also, why aren't Greenwald, Snowden and Assange stevenleser Nov 2013 #9

BS, they publish what they get from Whistle Blowers, they can't manufacture what they sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #21

Grantcart did the research and called BS on your links downthread. They arent interested in stevenleser Nov 2013 #72

You have demonstrated beyond doubt how little you know about Wikileaks. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #73

This hearsay you are pushing doesn't amount to anything. I noticed you provide no links stevenleser Nov 2013 #74

Their agenda has always been clear. Did you think they were hiding it? Again demonstrating sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #78

Again, your contentions mean nothing. Provide links to back you up or it means nothing. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #88

Clearly you are unable to back up your claims. That was obvious to me from the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #94

The claims are yours to back up. I don't have to prove a negative. stevenleser Nov 2013 #96

Again, you have failed to back up your claims and are veering off into sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #101

On DU, it is widely accepted that one does not need to prove a negative. You need to prove your stevenleser Nov 2013 #104

You made the claim that Wikileaks is not 'covering all the corruption in Russia'. I corrected sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #127

Both your links were from late 2010. Denzil_DC Nov 2013 #147

What does that have to do with the false info provided here as to the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #152

This is a whole lot of verbage to fail to answer a simple question. Denzil_DC Nov 2013 #159

"anti-US agenda" YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #108

I didn't say "The US". I said "anti-US agenda" nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #111

You surely are aware that Wikileaks was accused of being PRO US because they sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #129

As if you would take that chance. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #40

Of course I would and do. I attack Russia and Putin all the time. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #71

And you would have us believe that Russia Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #76

The US has prevented Wikileaks from releasing anything from Russia or anywhere sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #81

You don't even know how ridiculous that sounds. Wikileaks is an international organization stevenleser Nov 2013 #89

Their agenda is clear and has never been hidden. What a ridiculous thing to say. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #97

Their agenda is to attack the US. That is clear, definitely. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #98

If releasing Whistle Blower material is 'attacking' a country, then they have 'attacked' sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #123

If you don't want to talk about the comparison, don't bring it up. stevenleser Nov 2013 #87

Well, if you are such a big man, you should get on it! Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #95

Not my interest. I don't have to live up to someone else's failed tag line. stevenleser Nov 2013 #100

And Greenwald's interest for many years has been the US surveillance Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #134

+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #107

I was very intersted in your links. grantcart Nov 2013 #61

Have you read any of the Wikileaks cables? Apparently not. Russia wasn't happy sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #75

You seem to miss the point. grantcart Nov 2013 #80

I am missing nothing. I have been aware of and followed Wikileaks and other New Media sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #83

That person always misses points that don't go along with her agenda stevenleser Nov 2013 #93

Here's an interesting theory. MADem Nov 2013 #144

One day, when Mr. Foust learns how to cry on cue, he'll Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #145

Since Tiananmen Square occurred 17 years before Wikileaks was founded, it's a bit of a stretch struggle4progress Nov 2013 #85

Unbelievable how little some people know of the history of this New Media. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #90

Sadly, my experience conversing with you frequently suggests you simply invent your claims, struggle4progress Nov 2013 #110

Anyone who starts right out with a personal insult, doesn't get much credibility from sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #156

Once again, nary a link from you to support the claims you make with apparent certainty struggle4progress Nov 2013 #158

Putin gets brownie points with his political base by giving a neener-neener to the U.S. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #20

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #3

Exile? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #4

I was about to ask that, too Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #6

Also from Wikipedia: Exile can also be a self-imposed departure from one's homeland. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #23

She is from England. Her lawyer has advised her not to return at this time. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #11

Still not 'exile' Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #19

Your truncated snip for Wikipedia is laughable. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #24

So how do you define exile? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #34

Keep laughing: From the Oxford dictionary: Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #37

BWHAHAHA!! Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #38

You really must think that DUers are stupid. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #39

Oh I almost forgot: Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #36

I will miss your salience reddread Nov 2013 #62

You're leaving? Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #64

Way to add something intelligent to the conversation! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #91

Any time is a good time for a 'fuck Ron Paul' post Cali_Democrat Nov 2013 #99

And his spawn! flamingdem Nov 2013 #118

It is the heighth of engaging discourse. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #136

LOL Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #153

If she fears prosecution, then that is absolutely a form of exile. Gravitycollapse Nov 2013 #139

living abroad as an ex-pat is not 'exile' nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #5

Fearless, are you? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #10

I once spent 20 nights in Europe. Criticized Bush while there. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #12

You criticized him? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #13

So, you were worried that Bush would prosecute you, eh? Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #14

No, I was under no threat at all. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #15

You are RobertEarl Nov 2013 #16

No, I'd oppose prosecuting wikileaks. Would set a horrible precedent. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #17

Eh? RobertEarl Nov 2013 #18

Have you read about what is going on in England right now? Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #22

What's going on in England is that Miranda (who was released after 9 hours geek tragedy Nov 2013 #25

The Security Service advised the police to detain Miranda based on their assessment that he may have Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #26

Well, any self-respecting journalist should be leery of British airports. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #27

Self-imposed exile to avoid persecution is exile. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #29

No it's not, especially when that persecution is purely speculative. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30

From the Oxford dictionary: Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #35

So, there's no difference between exiles and ex-pats? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #53

Oxford dictionary says that "exile" is an archaic definition of expatriot. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #57

Expat on Main Street doesn't have the same oomph nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59

Since when has David Miranda been "she"? struggle4progress Nov 2013 #32

The she is Sarah Harrison. The topic of the OP. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #33

Ah. Your #22 didn't mention Sarah directly, and I had to do my best to decipher the pronoun struggle4progress Nov 2013 #44

It is well advised she stay away from Britain and the United States davidn3600 Nov 2013 #56

Exactly. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #67

"Snowden is currently safe in Russia . . ." Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #7

would you send Al Gore into exile as well? reddread Nov 2013 #63

Sarah Harrison has a bad habit of misrepresenting facts: struggle4progress Nov 2013 #28

those pesky facts. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #31

Surprise surprise.... Sarah Harrison and I agree with her interpretation of the facts... Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #41

Nope: there's nothing in my #28 about anybody's drug use. struggle4progress Nov 2013 #42

She is under no more danger of persecution than Julian or Eddie treestar Nov 2013 #43

Folks have a rough life, living out there in Crazy Camp struggle4progress Nov 2013 #45

Really. Edward will not be arrested or prosecuted? Julian assanges is free to travel to the Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #46

No they are avoiding trials in countries treestar Nov 2013 #47

Amazing how many people do not know the meanings of words these days. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #50

the meaning of persecution treestar Nov 2013 #149

"Western countries with standards" YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #103

Check out the legal system in Saudi Arabia or any middle eastern country treestar Nov 2013 #148

Persecute struggle4progress Nov 2013 #48

What is it with people who glean only the most advantagous part of a definition and think we are too Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #58

Well, Snowden has said since June he's a victim of persecution, but the facts suggest otherwise struggle4progress Nov 2013 #66

No he hasn't. In June he made the claim that he would be persecuted Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #77

Statelessness is governed by the 1961 convention, which nowhere regards a valid passport struggle4progress Nov 2013 #122

He defined his statelessness using international standards. Which I provided to you. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #125

You merely provided a link to a Wikipedia article, which traces back to a record struggle4progress Nov 2013 #140

Yes. It was a discussion and a very interesting one at that but Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #141

Prosecute struggle4progress Nov 2013 #49

Yes dear, I know the difference. He is being persecuted with the prospect of prosecution. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #52

See #66 struggle4progress Nov 2013 #68

Examples of correct uses of "prosecute": struggle4progress Nov 2013 #51

What the fuck are you going on about? I understand the difference between the two and I used them Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #54

See #66 struggle4progress Nov 2013 #69

No, you clearly dont understand the difference. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #102

Clearly, I do. Snowden is being persecuted for escaping probable prosecution. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #106

Clearly, you don't. If that fit, any criminal fleeing prosecution could claim it. nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #112

If what fit? What? You've just wandered off the farm... Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #117

That's not persecution. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #150

Sure it is. Just like Ariel Castro was persecuted. randome Nov 2013 #155

Perhaps you should save the English lectures Union Scribe Nov 2013 #142

Meh. Periods are irritating little buggers. One ought to leave them out unless they're necessary struggle4progress Nov 2013 #143

Examples of correct uses of "persecute" struggle4progress Nov 2013 #55

Snowden is being persecuted with the threat of prosecution. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #60

See #66 struggle4progress Nov 2013 #70

K&R bobduca Nov 2013 #65

HUGE K&R Powerful and important statement that needs to be seen by everyone. woo me with science Nov 2013 #79

Nowhere in that long, long letter does it say she's in exile. pnwmom Nov 2013 #82

Does she have an editor? Maybe HE'S in exile. randome Nov 2013 #84

To fly to a foreign country in order to reside there to escape persecution Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #92

But she's not there to escape persecution because if the UK asked for her, pnwmom Nov 2013 #109

Not prosecution but rather persecution and on the advice of her Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #114

If her lawyer were advising her to stay out of the UK for legal reasons, pnwmom Nov 2013 #116

There is no such thing as an extradition treaty for the purpose of allowing a Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #120

An attorney wouldn't be advising her about "persecution." pnwmom Nov 2013 #126

Um. Yes and attorney would. An attorney would advise staying clear Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #128

Then she is worried about prosecution, and she's at as much risk pnwmom Nov 2013 #130

Keep beating that horse. Others who work with wikileaks and Snowden have taken Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #131

"Taken refuge in Berlin." These people are into high drama. n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #133

Really, Laura Poitras has been interrogated dozens of times and her Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #135

I wouldn't feel safe in Berlin of all places. n/t pnwmom Nov 2013 #137

I respect your opinion but 2 regularly persecuted U.S. citizens Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #138

k&r idwiyo Nov 2013 #86

What happens to Snowden when he breaks a Russian law? Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #105

yeah tech support for a website requires so many criminal acts! n/t bobduca Nov 2013 #113

I was thinking of the hookers he is hanging around with Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #115

Oooh. New stupid smear. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #124

Smear merchants bobduca Nov 2013 #151

He ditched his beautiful fiance and had no friends in the U.S. randome Nov 2013 #146

On the left, and on the right Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #157

It reminds me of running away from home when one is a child flamingdem Nov 2013 #119

Im sure they will support her especially after the revelations the NSA taps Merkel's phone davidn3600 Nov 2013 #132

Doesn't she realize that if governments were transparent, everyone would plainly see that Zorra Nov 2013 #121

oh the melodrama. dionysus Nov 2013 #154