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107. I'm only going to respond to one of you guys with a point I should have made in my response

Reply to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #51)

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 07:17 PM

Nov 2013

This "reliability" argument is faulty. Maybe back in the 90s you would get a compaq "knucklebuster" PC and it would overheat on you and ruin the motherboard. Most PCs today are better, but you have the choice to build a less stable one if you want to fit your budget and needs.

I've been through exactly 3 PCs in the last 13 years, one of which I overheated the video card on with an overambitious build. The other worked fine until I decided to upgrade, and I'm on the third which I built 5 or 6 years ago. Zero replacements or problems.

Unfortunately, there is no statistical database of PC vs Mac hardware failures. Hence, every single argument is anecdotal and very frustrating. I can give you anecdotes from my circle about people with macs, which are supposed to "just work", yet have broken down due to hardware faults. I suspect the marketing has lingered in peoples' minds, and will until the day they die, because this is purely anecdotal.

The price differential is way too enormous to justify Apple's dubious claims of being more reliable, but hey that's the market for you.

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And what about media on your computers? EOTE Nov 2013 #21

It matches, it syncs automatically nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #24

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I use it all the time, never had any problems. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #44

Maybe I should have been clearer, snooper2 Nov 2013 #49

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I just updated Windows from 8 to 8.1 and it was free. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #35

The last time I paid for an update OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #67

I'm saying I didn't have to pay for any updates either. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #68

Dude, you whinned above a few posts about supposed fee based updates ksoze Nov 2013 #72

I was talking about new iPhone and iPads that are only incremental updates. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #73

Okay, but isn't that an industry wide practice. ksoze Nov 2013 #76

Samsung has many different lines of phones. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #90

You lost me on the multiple series ksoze Nov 2013 #92

The series are different from each other. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #97

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Obviously a 1988 mac is an entirely different animal. DireStrike Nov 2013 #45

Apple's operating systems and interfaces have changed dramatically since then. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2013 #50

I use both and honestly, there's not much difference between using a Mac or a PC. cui bono Nov 2013 #167

no, i bought one because they are reliable and i knew i was going to too poor to replace my laptop La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #51

I'm only going to respond to one of you guys with a point I should have made in my response DireStrike Nov 2013 #107

i got a PC in 2007 and was terrible and no one company would take responsibility for it La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #115

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How I became an apple fan. Soundman Nov 2013 #178

Forced obsolescence and the move towards "computing appliances". sir pball Nov 2013 #181