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passiveporcupine

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28. I wish abortion was rare

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 11:29 PM

Nov 2013

but not for the reasons a religious person might choose. I don't like the risk associates with it and think that not getting pregnant is a safer option.

However, I know it will never be "rare" because sex happens (thankfully) and accidents happen.

Now I also believe that mastectomies should be rare, not because they have a social stigma, but because it is a traumatic way to treat a disease that I wish was rare. My mom had a mastectomy, and I know it has left more than just physical scars. But...until we find a cure for breast cancer that stops it before it requires a mastectomy, I will hope they are always legal.

Same thing with abortion. It's a risky procedure that should not be required, but until we make birth control fail safe and no unwanted (for whatever reason) pregnancies occur, I will fight to see it remains legal.

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A linguistic trick of affirming the right to abortion while simultaneously devaluing it. [View all] PeaceNikki Nov 2013 OP

k and r--thank you for posting niyad Nov 2013 #1

I had to explain why that phrase pisses me off so badly. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #2

Well it was rare enough in your family to allow you to be alive. That's good hooverville29 Nov 2013 #34

ridiculous. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #36

Which response merely means you don't have an answer hooverville29 Nov 2013 #37

answer? to what? you didn't ask a fucking question. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #43

Yes. That's a fucking ridiculous point. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #45

You're dodging around again. You're glad you're alive, right? hooverville29 Nov 2013 #48

Making the dumb Reagan "I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born" PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #49

:) Is that inaccurate? hooverville29 Nov 2013 #50

It's ridiculous. Just like Reagan. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #51

Oh for fuck's sake this argument is LUDICROUS. MadrasT Nov 2013 #81

PPR'd as an anti-choice troll gollygee Nov 2013 #96

Thank you, Skinner! Zorra Nov 2013 #99

Whoops. In wrong place. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #57

Hmmm. Exact same thing I hear from the antis while escorting at Planned Parenthood HERVEPA Nov 2013 #59

That's right, and... Oilwellian Nov 2013 #61

I use the phase all the time. chemp Nov 2013 #78

to quote LeftyMom from another thread... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #79

You are wrong Gman Nov 2013 #3

It's a MEDICAL issue not a social issue. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #4

Of course it's medical Gman Nov 2013 #7

Also, your reply doesn't prove me "wrong" it only states it's ok, because... independents? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #6

Good stuff - K&R - nt Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #5

Let's make poverty and all the many other inequities rare first. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #8

That's not how most people see it. Not even most DUers. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #9

Which is why I feel the need to explain how and why it's harmful. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #10

Argument ad populum, but you don't care. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #12

These are the popular beliefs because they've been pushed on us. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #13

So unlike you, 80% of DUers are unable to think for themselves, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #16

This isn't about Clinton or specific politicians. It's about the general conversation of PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #17

Thanks Hillary. For pandering. Yeah we should just all have that baby and give it up for adoption. WCLinolVir Nov 2013 #40

Abortion is a medical issue, and should be no more controversial than any other medical issue... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #11

Sure it should. Costly and more physically traumatic procedures should be less frequent scheming daemons Nov 2013 #25

A full-term pregnancy and childbirth are both more likely to cause complications than an abortion. Laffy Kat Nov 2013 #80

Thanks for making this point. OnionPatch Nov 2013 #121

K&R&Thank you. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #14

"Saying it should be "rare" indicates - clearly - that it is happening more than it should be" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #15

How far could the US reduce the number of abortions and would that meet the threshold for "rare"? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

You ask the wrong question. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #33

Well the opposite of rare is common. zeemike Nov 2013 #19

Maybe they should not run on a platform about abortion. WCLinolVir Nov 2013 #47

Well that would be great if we set the agenda. zeemike Nov 2013 #54

i want effective and available birth control to make it rare scheming daemons Nov 2013 #20

How far could the US reduce the number of abortions and would that meet the threshold for "rare"? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #21

I want all medical procedures as rare as possible scheming daemons Nov 2013 #24

Do you not see, even a little, how using the "rare" language can be harmful? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #35

If I said I want mastectomies safe and rare, that wouldn't be controversial scheming daemons Nov 2013 #38

i. get. that. But you don't say that. And legislators are not trying to defund Oncology Depts. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #41

Right wingers are wrong and should be defeated on this. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #44

how about... not 'rare'? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #46

+100 dionysus Nov 2013 #91

Birth control is a medical procedure. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #74

birth control is preventative medicine scheming daemons Nov 2013 #75

um uh I'm sure you find that to be a distinction, but it is one without a difference. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #83

exact opposite. access to morning after pills should be free scheming daemons Nov 2013 #106

Why? They are abortifacients, shouldn't they be rare too? Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #108

Response scheming daemons Nov 2013 #109

Abortions are "physically traumatic" and "prohibitively expensive". Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #119

youre wrong scheming daemons Nov 2013 #120

Look, I can't speak for the person you responded to, but I can to the OP. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #122

Abortions occur when there is a pregnancy, not before. boston bean Nov 2013 #123

Why? Do you think there is something wrong with having an abortion? Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #73

K&R Solly Mack Nov 2013 #22

k&r Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #23

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #26

ok.... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #27

aren't you heartbroken? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #30

Understandable. REP Nov 2013 #31

Post stalk much? That was from September? Agschmid Nov 2013 #112

I wish abortion was rare passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #28

and everyone knows this. this spate of excuses as to why this is not shaming women La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #29

And so many people don't even realize they're doing it. Undermining a cause they purportedly support nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #32

Exactly. That's why I discuss with liberals who say this whenever I can. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #42

Well, the opposite of rare is frequent. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #52

I think the division comes in using the term. boston bean Nov 2013 #56

Oh, that's bullshit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #58

+1 Oilwellian Nov 2013 #65

I agree with you passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #71

The opposite of rare is not rare, or common. Not "frequent". uppityperson Nov 2013 #101

You know what I am noticing in this thread and mine. boston bean Nov 2013 #53

Agreed. It's patronizing, "I'll let it slide" bullshit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #55

And they use the "rare" talking point which confuses people. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

You said passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #72

I adamantly disagree Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #62

None of that has to do with what should be un prohibited access to abortion if one boston bean Nov 2013 #66

I would never use the term safe, legal and rare Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #70

Like BB stated- it's the framing of the discussion that's the problem. Words mean things. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #68

I simply don't agree. 99Forever Nov 2013 #63

fanfuckingtastic PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #64

Makes us precisely even. 99Forever Nov 2013 #67

You seem to have a problem with one who is voicing an opinion. boston bean Nov 2013 #69

always thought the rare thing was bs and just one reason why i trust hilary as far as i can throw dembotoz Nov 2013 #76

Increasing access to sexual protection against unwanted pregnancy and STD's is the key alphafemale Nov 2013 #77

I am in complete agreement. MadrasT Nov 2013 #82

Of course it should be rare. thesquanderer Nov 2013 #84

I honestly understand the thesis, however I can't get past the fact that that is a phrase I associat arely staircase Nov 2013 #85

I am against abortion for myself. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #86

Recommend. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #87

Insistence on trying to make others convert to your extreme view is an hallmark of an ideologue. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #88

Extreme? The Democratic National Party stopped using it PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #89

i don't know about that. abortion is a serious surgery and can be dangerous. if readily available dionysus Nov 2013 #90

you missed the point PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #92

i didn't miss the point. we just interpret the phase differently, i suppose. dionysus Nov 2013 #93

I encourage you to open your mind and see the ways it can be harmful is all PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #94

i have no reason to quarrel! dionysus Nov 2013 #95

Abortion is not "serious surgery" it's a very safe minor outpatient procedure. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #111

I don't see why having a pro-choice stance necessarily entails... D23MIURG23 Nov 2013 #97

First, abortion is not bad. Anymore than cardiac bypass is "bad". PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #98

I'm not "soft pro-choice" at all. D23MIURG23 Nov 2013 #107

k&r with thanks for continuing to work to keep the right to a legal medical abortion accessible. uppityperson Nov 2013 #100

In conclusion: back off with the 'soft support'. If you don't fully support abortion rights, STFU. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #102

Thanks for this OP, PeaceNikki. It shows how DU has changed, Pathwalker Nov 2013 #103

Thank you for your support. It's been... eyeopening. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #104

Great OP, I totally agree with the premise the author is writing about. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #105

thank you for getting it PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #110

I disagree that this is "devaluing" the right. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113

the national party platform was updated to remove the stigma. sad that DU is lagging so far behind. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #114

No. "Rare" means that we should have a society that encourages preventing unplanned pregnancies. phleshdef Nov 2013 #115

so... you want unwanted pregnancies to be rare? hey, me, too!! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #116

I really have no idea where you are coming from. phleshdef Nov 2013 #117

Wisconsin. You? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #118

100% agree. Ineeda Nov 2013 #124

With my trusty calculator... Lars39 Nov 2013 #125

When the clintons called for safe, legal and rare abortions applegrove Nov 2013 #126

sigh. really? a gop tactic? "this kick"? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #127