I don't understand when someone says "abortion should be rare"...

[freshwest]

54. It was mysteriously:

But back on the topic, and my position, which covers more than abortion itself, as it's the context:

I'd agree it should be 'rare' and AFAIK, it most rare in countries with UHC, full access to the morning after pill, contraception, sex education and abortion.

But over all of that is the lack of stigma or religious objection to the practice, but seeing it as it should be seen, the business of the people involved.

And that in valuing the life of the mother, they also value the life of the child after it is born. There is no denial of food, education, health care or housing due to the circumstances of one's birth or their social position.

There are even incentives to have children with generous maternity leave, no loss of jobs, a stipend paid per child just because the child was born, and none of this cruel shell game played on would be mothers. They do not have to worry about being impoverished or their children suffering from want as Americans do.

Isn't this the utopia the 'pro-life until born' crowd says will happen? While doing everything to insure that the life of the mother and child is punishing?

My argument with that faux choice crowd is that they will not put their money where their big, self-righteous mouths are.

They are against taxes and government, but that is what is needed to take care of the people they don't know and will never meet, and many people they don't like at all and would not welcome into their homes.

That's what the social safety net is, welcoming a child into the family of America, with a home, care and prospects.

Until they enthusiastically support the government, the social safety and rights of women to decide what they can handle to give their children a good life, they can STHU. They are nothing but busybodies with too much time on their hands and nothing better to do.

Also their arrogance knows no bounds, as they cannot comprehend how diverse a country this is, and things are not simple.

They cannot honestly claim to support the unborn when they refuse to support their parents, both of them, with health care, employment and the necessities. That includes the poor, those on welfare, the immigrant, those on drugs or with other issues.

Until then, they are just mentally masturbating and making themselves feel superior. They get no respect from me until they show some to others.