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In reply to the discussion: A linguistic trick of affirming the right to abortion while simultaneously devaluing it. [View all]passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)71. I agree with you
In this context.
The widespread endorsement of rare in context of abortion both produces and reproduces stigma.
Yes, I can see pro-lifers jumping on it as a means to end abortions, because that is what they want to do. But that doesn't mean everyone who is pro-choice means it that way.
But when someone posts a thread poll asking about how you view abortions, and one option is that you would like abortions to be available to all, but rare..., it's not fair to say people choosing that option are promoting the stigma of abortions, when that is not what they personally meant when they chose that option.
The sad part is in today's social framing, there is always a stigma attached to the word abortion, even for those who have to have a life-saving abortion. And the pro-life group being what they are, I also am discouraged that we have to carefully choose our words or they may be misconstrued even by people who we agree with.
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is that I understand why you don't like that term used, but perhaps not everyone should be judged for using it, when they basically feel the same way as you about the right to an abortion. You are attempting to demonize people over a word. Wouldn't it be better just to educate them on why you think maybe that is a poor choice in phrasing, and then let them "choose" to use it or not? I suspect they will at least think about it in future discussions and perhaps choose not to use it.
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A linguistic trick of affirming the right to abortion while simultaneously devaluing it. [View all]
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
OP
Well it was rare enough in your family to allow you to be alive. That's good
hooverville29
Nov 2013
#34
Making the dumb Reagan "I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born"
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#49
Hmmm. Exact same thing I hear from the antis while escorting at Planned Parenthood
HERVEPA
Nov 2013
#59
Also, your reply doesn't prove me "wrong" it only states it's ok, because... independents?
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#6
This isn't about Clinton or specific politicians. It's about the general conversation of
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#17
Thanks Hillary. For pandering. Yeah we should just all have that baby and give it up for adoption.
WCLinolVir
Nov 2013
#40
Abortion is a medical issue, and should be no more controversial than any other medical issue...
Humanist_Activist
Nov 2013
#11
Sure it should. Costly and more physically traumatic procedures should be less frequent
scheming daemons
Nov 2013
#25
A full-term pregnancy and childbirth are both more likely to cause complications than an abortion.
Laffy Kat
Nov 2013
#80
"Saying it should be "rare" indicates - clearly - that it is happening more than it should be"
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2013
#15
How far could the US reduce the number of abortions and would that meet the threshold for "rare"?
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#18
How far could the US reduce the number of abortions and would that meet the threshold for "rare"?
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#21
Do you not see, even a little, how using the "rare" language can be harmful?
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#35
If I said I want mastectomies safe and rare, that wouldn't be controversial
scheming daemons
Nov 2013
#38
i. get. that. But you don't say that. And legislators are not trying to defund Oncology Depts.
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#41
um uh I'm sure you find that to be a distinction, but it is one without a difference.
Warren Stupidity
Nov 2013
#83
and everyone knows this. this spate of excuses as to why this is not shaming women
La Lioness Priyanka
Nov 2013
#29
And so many people don't even realize they're doing it. Undermining a cause they purportedly support
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#32
None of that has to do with what should be un prohibited access to abortion if one
boston bean
Nov 2013
#66
Like BB stated- it's the framing of the discussion that's the problem. Words mean things.
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#68
always thought the rare thing was bs and just one reason why i trust hilary as far as i can throw
dembotoz
Nov 2013
#76
Increasing access to sexual protection against unwanted pregnancy and STD's is the key
alphafemale
Nov 2013
#77
I honestly understand the thesis, however I can't get past the fact that that is a phrase I associat
arely staircase
Nov 2013
#85
Insistence on trying to make others convert to your extreme view is an hallmark of an ideologue.
KittyWampus
Nov 2013
#88
i don't know about that. abortion is a serious surgery and can be dangerous. if readily available
dionysus
Nov 2013
#90
Abortion is not "serious surgery" it's a very safe minor outpatient procedure.
LeftyMom
Nov 2013
#111
k&r with thanks for continuing to work to keep the right to a legal medical abortion accessible.
uppityperson
Nov 2013
#100
In conclusion: back off with the 'soft support'. If you don't fully support abortion rights, STFU.
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#102
the national party platform was updated to remove the stigma. sad that DU is lagging so far behind.
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#114
No. "Rare" means that we should have a society that encourages preventing unplanned pregnancies.
phleshdef
Nov 2013
#115