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ScreamingMeemie

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51. Well...here's the thing...

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:08 PM

Nov 2013

I am one of those who has been unhappy with the overly centrist (to sometimes rightwing) positions our party has bowed down to.

4 years ago, when I tried to sign up for my state's high risk pool, I was given a quote of $1450K a month with high deductibles and no prescription coverage.

1 month ago, when I tried to sign up for my state's exchanges, I was given a quote of $176 a month with low deductibles ($1800) and prescription coverage. I am betting there are a lot of middle of the roaders, with pre-existing conditions, who have found this same result.

Guess who I am going to continue to vote for?

And, no, I am not an "apologist" for anything.

and, on edit and before you accuse me of "getting yours," I am appreciative of the nation's community at large for helping me to carry the burden of insuring all Americans.

Thank you.

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How is Obamacare not a disaster for the Democratic party? (revised) [View all] brentspeak Nov 2013 OP

I always wondered about you. I'm not wondering anymore. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #1

Yeah, I actually want the Democrats to succeed brentspeak Nov 2013 #3

Sure you do. Your 'concern' is, as usual, noted. nt babylonsister Nov 2013 #70

Sure you do. DevonRex Nov 2013 #146

You're right. And I stopped wondering a long time ago...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #12

I take *pride* in being on the opposite side of most issues as you, Sid. It's how I know I'm on the Romulox Nov 2013 #18

You mean, "Right" track, yes? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #24

Sid as the opposite of "Right"? In Bizarro land, maybe! Romulox Nov 2013 #28

Sid is exactly that - opposite of the Right. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #48

If you like Sid's work here, you'll hate what I have to say. Romulox Nov 2013 #59

No. I won't hate anything that's constructive or that goes against the status quo. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #79

I'd suspect you're anti-science, too. HuckleB Nov 2013 #125

LOL. Make up whatever you like, I guess? nt Romulox Nov 2013 #135

I'm not making anything up. HuckleB Nov 2013 #144

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #119

The only one who recced the OP is toast. DevonRex Nov 2013 #123

Is this a threat? I think a toxic atmosphere of intimidation is taking over... nt Romulox Nov 2013 #136

Huh? I have no power to threaten with anything here. DevonRex Nov 2013 #141

I've only now seen it in broad daylight. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #27

Spare us the drama and the bull$hit, please brentspeak Nov 2013 #54

And you *do* know that those people you find so credible, are responsible for killing the P.O., BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #57

Uh, it was Obama who bargained away and killed the public option brentspeak Nov 2013 #62

Wrong. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #77

Rated as "Obama: Promise Broken" by your own link brentspeak Nov 2013 #82

And? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #88

I'll gather my facts from news reports brentspeak Nov 2013 #91

?? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #93

Please Don't Keep Me Wonderin' no Longer treestar Nov 2013 #22

I thought I had that one on ignore alcibiades_mystery Nov 2013 #99

Here's a point where you and I are in agreement Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #149

lets say the Dems lose everyone who has to pay more NightWatcher Nov 2013 #2

Not if they're negatively impacted by the family glitch. MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #63

cry me a river, counselor PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #4

Poor reading skills AND a lack of empathy. Wonderful! nt Romulox Nov 2013 #17

empathy? I have empathy for my friends, family and acquaintances who have chronic diseases PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #36

That's not what "empathy" means. It means caring about people other than you and yours. Romulox Nov 2013 #42

lol. you're kidding, right? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #50

Unfortunately, that DU poster isn't kidding, PeaceNikki. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #55

I know *exactly* what you were trying to do. As do you. Romulox Nov 2013 #56

no, you don't fucking know me. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #58

Nor do I care to. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #60

If by "backpedaling" you mean "threw it right back in your face", then yeah ... 11 Bravo Nov 2013 #100

Nonsense. She used "counselor" as a term of derision/entitlement...for a *public defender*. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #139

um... a public defender is still a "Counselor at law" by profession. You're belittling her by acting PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #162

...and she's not a public defender. She's in private practice and owns her multi-attorney firm. Chan790 Nov 2013 #167

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #172

I missed where the definition of "empathy" excluded one's family? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #52

Next year, when Ms Persico's FREE physical identifies a lump... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #72

She'll still be cut from her insurance if she can't pay the increased premium. Romulox Nov 2013 #140

The ACA did NOT make premiums go up, period stop Gman Nov 2013 #5

Wasn't it supposed to make them decrease? brentspeak Nov 2013 #7

That went the way of the public option, truebluegreen Nov 2013 #14

Exactly Gman Nov 2013 #16

The President negotiated away the Public Option in backdoor sessions with the Insurance Industry. Romulox Nov 2013 #21

That myth has been debunked. There's NO hard proof that the president BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #40

"WTF" yourself. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #92

NO, the purpose was to improve the individual insurance people were paying high premiums for Fla Dem Nov 2013 #43

They DO decrease in many markets -- even with the coverage being vastly superior to pre-ACA BlueStreak Nov 2013 #47

They promised no such thing, as I recall. alarimer Nov 2013 #68

Exactly, this is the market in action and it's just the beginning kysrsoze Nov 2013 #13

^^this^^ tosh Nov 2013 #32

Then why did the government FORCE people into bed with these known bad actors? Romulox Nov 2013 #37

How do you know they won't? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #112

Who knows what they *will* do. We are reacting to what is actually happening. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #137

You're reacting to what's happening in the first 6 week. kysrsoze Nov 2013 #150

but it hasn't gone into effect yet... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #153

You are aware that Medicare was in much worse shape at this point on its own rollout timeline? Chan790 Nov 2013 #169

well said. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #38

The GOP will not allow broken portions of the law to be fixed brentspeak Nov 2013 #39

let them. millions of people are getting help due to ACA. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #46

That's why you need to play the long game and push Repubs out of office kysrsoze Nov 2013 #151

For some people it absolutely did. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #75

For everyone claiming the ACA made their premiums go up Gman Nov 2013 #116

true, insurance companies did to offset their presumed risk lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #134

Well now this is a big surprise sharp_stick Nov 2013 #6

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #90

The answer is very simple jberryhill Nov 2013 #8

Teething And Timing Problems Vogon_Glory Nov 2013 #9

Oh please. 99Forever Nov 2013 #10

Oh, here you are again trumpeting the horn of negativity, bad news, and concern. More people will Pisces Nov 2013 #11

Simple answer: displacedtexan Nov 2013 #15

ACA sycophants....lecture....ACA apologist....petulantly sniffles..... Avalux Nov 2013 #19

I've been holding my tongue on the matter brentspeak Nov 2013 #31

Enough is enough Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #83

You think the Senate Democrats brentspeak Nov 2013 #89

Apples/Oranges Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #97

Welcome to my ignore list brentspeak Nov 2013 #109

"troll" Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #111

Some nerve, accusing HER of being a troll after you posted RW garbage DevonRex Nov 2013 #142

Yup... SidDithers Nov 2013 #118

Republicans are really concerned too Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #129

I believe you are correct. cilla4progress Nov 2013 #20

Your insurance provider... 99Forever Nov 2013 #53

Grandfathered plans did not need to be tweaked. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #94

As I said... 99Forever Nov 2013 #131

But tweaking (your suggestion) Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #143

A distinction without a difference. 99Forever Nov 2013 #155

It actually isn't. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #156

You are preaching to the choir. 99Forever Nov 2013 #164

The only problem is that insurance companies are still involved. But it is at least trying to RBInMaine Nov 2013 #166

see responses to this thread ---> napkinz Nov 2013 #23

It's a disaster because it doesn't do what the President said it would: a) Lower costs; b) insure Romulox Nov 2013 #25

So people not going to emergency rooms for care...costing us billions in taxes VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #115

Wrong. RW assholes going on TV with bullshit stories DevonRex Nov 2013 #126

You're wrong on A and B is not a claim anyone ever made. HuckleB Nov 2013 #127

It does "a" for most people, for "b" it insures a hell of a lot more in real plans... Chan790 Nov 2013 #171

Better Believe It! Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #26

Exactly. When will "Enough is enough" time come? FSogol Nov 2013 #106

It's far too early to designate the ACA as a disaster cali Nov 2013 #29

Then she makes a lot of money treestar Nov 2013 #30

Do any of these people realize what the average employer-provided plan costs?? Freddie Nov 2013 #33

I'm a Medicaid caseworker Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #161

the ghost of BBI applauds you. well done. dionysus Nov 2013 #34

Well, after our little non-profit corporation was priced out of being able to afford health Zorra Nov 2013 #35

The article fails to give details about people's financial situations, the "comparable plans" they BenzoDia Nov 2013 #41

'screwed by this law?' be gone. spanone Nov 2013 #44

Hello. To get the plan closest to mine I have to pay more chowder66 Nov 2013 #45

You know what's funny? Skinner Nov 2013 #49

+1 It's the legislation, not the politicians or parties leftstreet Nov 2013 #71

I'm not a purist brentspeak Nov 2013 #78

Do you even BEGIN to realize how many of us have been HELPED by this legislation??? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #103

That was pretty much the first thing that crossed my mind when I read this post. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #98

You know what Skinner? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #101

+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2013 #107

Thank you. n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #173

Well...here's the thing... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #51

Poor families are also being negatively affected because of the family glitch. MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #61

People haven't been screwed at all. alarimer Nov 2013 #64

We keep hearing about how "crappy" the cancelled policies supposedly are brentspeak Nov 2013 #85

Why would she want a substandard plan? Oh, yeah, because she's a lawyer and probably valerief Nov 2013 #65

"NOTHING IS OVER TILL WE DECIDE IT IS, AND IT AIN'T OVER NOW" IADEMO2004 Nov 2013 #66

Because medical bankruptcy is a thing of the past? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #67

People with chronic health conditions will likely have to pay at least $5,000/yr more. MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #73

So how much does the average diabetic pay for private insurance now? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #76

More than what? YOu know many personal healthcare insurances that cover diabetes or cancer? Mass Nov 2013 #86

Not true on the diabetes...More likely close to 1-1.5K ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #113

The ACA has its flaws, to be sure. But to claim it makes things *worse* for all of us nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #168

Obamacare is much more than just a lower premium cost. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #69

First they have to fix the website fadedrose Nov 2013 #74

After reading this thread it's obvious upaloopa Nov 2013 #80

My premiums went down . I'm middle class. roody Nov 2013 #81

A lot more people have been helped than hurt. People know that. For one, I welcome a system who Mass Nov 2013 #84

If ACA has helped more people than it has hurt brentspeak Nov 2013 #105

Actually, the Dems who met with Obama met to make a few fixes. Even Landrieu this morning defended Mass Nov 2013 #148

you Better Believe It, dkf! hopefully "enough is enough" soon scheming daemons Nov 2013 #87

ooooooo. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #95

dfk ... the second coming napkinz Nov 2013 #102

of course it's a disaster, chuck fuck and his friends say so. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #96

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #104

One word for ya......Virginia. eom cry baby Nov 2013 #108

"Is the Washington Post in cahoots with the Republicans?" ucrdem Nov 2013 #110

If most Americans like "Obamacare" by the midterm election it will be a success. If not ... spin Nov 2013 #114

a referendum on obamacare and a disaster for arely staircase Nov 2013 #117

Obamacare, AKA the ACA CatWoman Nov 2013 #120

Oddly. I have many patients who will now have mental health coverage. HuckleB Nov 2013 #121

Obama is an excellent salesman solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #122

To be honest...? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #133

The GOP could never have passed it leftstreet Nov 2013 #138

court jester... SidDithers Nov 2013 #152

single payer is awesome, but we didn't have the votes for it. not even close. dionysus Nov 2013 #160

Because Dems just swept a southern state from a Teabagger running on your platform. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #124

How are you allowed to continue posting your lame-ass bullshit? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #128

I have been critical about the aca, however it benefits more people than it hurts lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #130

Usually the weekend works out pretty good doesn't it? Peacetrain Nov 2013 #132

This story has already circulated Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #145

I don't think we will know how it will play out for at least a year. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #147

remind again what us GOP beachbum bob Nov 2013 #154

Its almost as bad as the war Obama started on Syria. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #157

It is going to be interesting to see what kind of rebates are given out after next year. Incitatus Nov 2013 #158

k&r Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #159

Just wondering..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #163

Either you are a right wing troller or an ultra-ultra-TeaLeftist. Yawn. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #165

Thanks to Obamacare my brother no longer has to worry about losing his home if his wife gets sick peacebird Nov 2013 #170