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fadedrose

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74. First they have to fix the website

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:36 PM

Nov 2013

After that, the folks who will benefit will sign up and the Republicans will stop fighting it, and maybe they will sit down with the Democrats and fix problems described in the OP. Some people will be unhappy, but the majority of the middle class and poor will be very happy....and that's the Democratic Party Base..

I feel bad that the rollout started badly, but have faith in the plan. There are ways to fix everything, but one of them is not the harsh criticism in your op...

Patience and knowing that the President will work on the bugs will tide us over. It is a law, like it or not.

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How is Obamacare not a disaster for the Democratic party? (revised) [View all] brentspeak Nov 2013 OP

I always wondered about you. I'm not wondering anymore. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #1

Yeah, I actually want the Democrats to succeed brentspeak Nov 2013 #3

Sure you do. Your 'concern' is, as usual, noted. nt babylonsister Nov 2013 #70

Sure you do. DevonRex Nov 2013 #146

You're right. And I stopped wondering a long time ago...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #12

I take *pride* in being on the opposite side of most issues as you, Sid. It's how I know I'm on the Romulox Nov 2013 #18

You mean, "Right" track, yes? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #24

Sid as the opposite of "Right"? In Bizarro land, maybe! Romulox Nov 2013 #28

Sid is exactly that - opposite of the Right. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #48

If you like Sid's work here, you'll hate what I have to say. Romulox Nov 2013 #59

No. I won't hate anything that's constructive or that goes against the status quo. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #79

I'd suspect you're anti-science, too. HuckleB Nov 2013 #125

LOL. Make up whatever you like, I guess? nt Romulox Nov 2013 #135

I'm not making anything up. HuckleB Nov 2013 #144

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #119

The only one who recced the OP is toast. DevonRex Nov 2013 #123

Is this a threat? I think a toxic atmosphere of intimidation is taking over... nt Romulox Nov 2013 #136

Huh? I have no power to threaten with anything here. DevonRex Nov 2013 #141

I've only now seen it in broad daylight. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #27

Spare us the drama and the bull$hit, please brentspeak Nov 2013 #54

And you *do* know that those people you find so credible, are responsible for killing the P.O., BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #57

Uh, it was Obama who bargained away and killed the public option brentspeak Nov 2013 #62

Wrong. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #77

Rated as "Obama: Promise Broken" by your own link brentspeak Nov 2013 #82

And? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #88

I'll gather my facts from news reports brentspeak Nov 2013 #91

?? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #93

Please Don't Keep Me Wonderin' no Longer treestar Nov 2013 #22

I thought I had that one on ignore alcibiades_mystery Nov 2013 #99

Here's a point where you and I are in agreement Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #149

lets say the Dems lose everyone who has to pay more NightWatcher Nov 2013 #2

Not if they're negatively impacted by the family glitch. MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #63

cry me a river, counselor PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #4

Poor reading skills AND a lack of empathy. Wonderful! nt Romulox Nov 2013 #17

empathy? I have empathy for my friends, family and acquaintances who have chronic diseases PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #36

That's not what "empathy" means. It means caring about people other than you and yours. Romulox Nov 2013 #42

lol. you're kidding, right? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #50

Unfortunately, that DU poster isn't kidding, PeaceNikki. BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #55

I know *exactly* what you were trying to do. As do you. Romulox Nov 2013 #56

no, you don't fucking know me. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #58

Nor do I care to. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #60

If by "backpedaling" you mean "threw it right back in your face", then yeah ... 11 Bravo Nov 2013 #100

Nonsense. She used "counselor" as a term of derision/entitlement...for a *public defender*. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #139

um... a public defender is still a "Counselor at law" by profession. You're belittling her by acting PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #162

...and she's not a public defender. She's in private practice and owns her multi-attorney firm. Chan790 Nov 2013 #167

... SidDithers Nov 2013 #172

I missed where the definition of "empathy" excluded one's family? BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #52

Next year, when Ms Persico's FREE physical identifies a lump... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #72

She'll still be cut from her insurance if she can't pay the increased premium. Romulox Nov 2013 #140

The ACA did NOT make premiums go up, period stop Gman Nov 2013 #5

Wasn't it supposed to make them decrease? brentspeak Nov 2013 #7

That went the way of the public option, truebluegreen Nov 2013 #14

Exactly Gman Nov 2013 #16

The President negotiated away the Public Option in backdoor sessions with the Insurance Industry. Romulox Nov 2013 #21

That myth has been debunked. There's NO hard proof that the president BlueCaliDem Nov 2013 #40

"WTF" yourself. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #92

NO, the purpose was to improve the individual insurance people were paying high premiums for Fla Dem Nov 2013 #43

They DO decrease in many markets -- even with the coverage being vastly superior to pre-ACA BlueStreak Nov 2013 #47

They promised no such thing, as I recall. alarimer Nov 2013 #68

Exactly, this is the market in action and it's just the beginning kysrsoze Nov 2013 #13

^^this^^ tosh Nov 2013 #32

Then why did the government FORCE people into bed with these known bad actors? Romulox Nov 2013 #37

How do you know they won't? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #112

Who knows what they *will* do. We are reacting to what is actually happening. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #137

You're reacting to what's happening in the first 6 week. kysrsoze Nov 2013 #150

but it hasn't gone into effect yet... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #153

You are aware that Medicare was in much worse shape at this point on its own rollout timeline? Chan790 Nov 2013 #169

well said. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #38

The GOP will not allow broken portions of the law to be fixed brentspeak Nov 2013 #39

let them. millions of people are getting help due to ACA. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #46

That's why you need to play the long game and push Repubs out of office kysrsoze Nov 2013 #151

For some people it absolutely did. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #75

For everyone claiming the ACA made their premiums go up Gman Nov 2013 #116

true, insurance companies did to offset their presumed risk lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #134

Well now this is a big surprise sharp_stick Nov 2013 #6

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #90

The answer is very simple jberryhill Nov 2013 #8

Teething And Timing Problems Vogon_Glory Nov 2013 #9

Oh please. 99Forever Nov 2013 #10

Oh, here you are again trumpeting the horn of negativity, bad news, and concern. More people will Pisces Nov 2013 #11

Simple answer: displacedtexan Nov 2013 #15

ACA sycophants....lecture....ACA apologist....petulantly sniffles..... Avalux Nov 2013 #19

I've been holding my tongue on the matter brentspeak Nov 2013 #31

Enough is enough Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #83

You think the Senate Democrats brentspeak Nov 2013 #89

Apples/Oranges Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #97

Welcome to my ignore list brentspeak Nov 2013 #109

"troll" Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #111

Some nerve, accusing HER of being a troll after you posted RW garbage DevonRex Nov 2013 #142

Yup... SidDithers Nov 2013 #118

Republicans are really concerned too Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #129

I believe you are correct. cilla4progress Nov 2013 #20

Your insurance provider... 99Forever Nov 2013 #53

Grandfathered plans did not need to be tweaked. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #94

As I said... 99Forever Nov 2013 #131

But tweaking (your suggestion) Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #143

A distinction without a difference. 99Forever Nov 2013 #155

It actually isn't. Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #156

You are preaching to the choir. 99Forever Nov 2013 #164

The only problem is that insurance companies are still involved. But it is at least trying to RBInMaine Nov 2013 #166

see responses to this thread ---> napkinz Nov 2013 #23

It's a disaster because it doesn't do what the President said it would: a) Lower costs; b) insure Romulox Nov 2013 #25

So people not going to emergency rooms for care...costing us billions in taxes VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #115

Wrong. RW assholes going on TV with bullshit stories DevonRex Nov 2013 #126

You're wrong on A and B is not a claim anyone ever made. HuckleB Nov 2013 #127

It does "a" for most people, for "b" it insures a hell of a lot more in real plans... Chan790 Nov 2013 #171

Better Believe It! Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #26

Exactly. When will "Enough is enough" time come? FSogol Nov 2013 #106

It's far too early to designate the ACA as a disaster cali Nov 2013 #29

Then she makes a lot of money treestar Nov 2013 #30

Do any of these people realize what the average employer-provided plan costs?? Freddie Nov 2013 #33

I'm a Medicaid caseworker Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #161

the ghost of BBI applauds you. well done. dionysus Nov 2013 #34

Well, after our little non-profit corporation was priced out of being able to afford health Zorra Nov 2013 #35

The article fails to give details about people's financial situations, the "comparable plans" they BenzoDia Nov 2013 #41

'screwed by this law?' be gone. spanone Nov 2013 #44

Hello. To get the plan closest to mine I have to pay more chowder66 Nov 2013 #45

You know what's funny? Skinner Nov 2013 #49

+1 It's the legislation, not the politicians or parties leftstreet Nov 2013 #71

I'm not a purist brentspeak Nov 2013 #78

Do you even BEGIN to realize how many of us have been HELPED by this legislation??? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #103

That was pretty much the first thing that crossed my mind when I read this post. n/t Ms. Toad Nov 2013 #98

You know what Skinner? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #101

+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2013 #107

Thank you. n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #173

Well...here's the thing... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #51

Poor families are also being negatively affected because of the family glitch. MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #61

People haven't been screwed at all. alarimer Nov 2013 #64

We keep hearing about how "crappy" the cancelled policies supposedly are brentspeak Nov 2013 #85

Why would she want a substandard plan? Oh, yeah, because she's a lawyer and probably valerief Nov 2013 #65

"NOTHING IS OVER TILL WE DECIDE IT IS, AND IT AIN'T OVER NOW" IADEMO2004 Nov 2013 #66

Because medical bankruptcy is a thing of the past? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #67

People with chronic health conditions will likely have to pay at least $5,000/yr more. MrsKirkley Nov 2013 #73

So how much does the average diabetic pay for private insurance now? lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #76

More than what? YOu know many personal healthcare insurances that cover diabetes or cancer? Mass Nov 2013 #86

Not true on the diabetes...More likely close to 1-1.5K ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #113

The ACA has its flaws, to be sure. But to claim it makes things *worse* for all of us nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #168

Obamacare is much more than just a lower premium cost. factsarenotfair Nov 2013 #69

First they have to fix the website fadedrose Nov 2013 #74

After reading this thread it's obvious upaloopa Nov 2013 #80

My premiums went down . I'm middle class. roody Nov 2013 #81

A lot more people have been helped than hurt. People know that. For one, I welcome a system who Mass Nov 2013 #84

If ACA has helped more people than it has hurt brentspeak Nov 2013 #105

Actually, the Dems who met with Obama met to make a few fixes. Even Landrieu this morning defended Mass Nov 2013 #148

you Better Believe It, dkf! hopefully "enough is enough" soon scheming daemons Nov 2013 #87

ooooooo. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #95

dfk ... the second coming napkinz Nov 2013 #102

of course it's a disaster, chuck fuck and his friends say so. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #96

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #104

One word for ya......Virginia. eom cry baby Nov 2013 #108

"Is the Washington Post in cahoots with the Republicans?" ucrdem Nov 2013 #110

If most Americans like "Obamacare" by the midterm election it will be a success. If not ... spin Nov 2013 #114

a referendum on obamacare and a disaster for arely staircase Nov 2013 #117

Obamacare, AKA the ACA CatWoman Nov 2013 #120

Oddly. I have many patients who will now have mental health coverage. HuckleB Nov 2013 #121

Obama is an excellent salesman solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #122

To be honest...? ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #133

The GOP could never have passed it leftstreet Nov 2013 #138

court jester... SidDithers Nov 2013 #152

single payer is awesome, but we didn't have the votes for it. not even close. dionysus Nov 2013 #160

Because Dems just swept a southern state from a Teabagger running on your platform. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #124

How are you allowed to continue posting your lame-ass bullshit? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #128

I have been critical about the aca, however it benefits more people than it hurts lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #130

Usually the weekend works out pretty good doesn't it? Peacetrain Nov 2013 #132

This story has already circulated Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2013 #145

I don't think we will know how it will play out for at least a year. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #147

remind again what us GOP beachbum bob Nov 2013 #154

Its almost as bad as the war Obama started on Syria. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #157

It is going to be interesting to see what kind of rebates are given out after next year. Incitatus Nov 2013 #158

k&r Puzzledtraveller Nov 2013 #159

Just wondering..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #163

Either you are a right wing troller or an ultra-ultra-TeaLeftist. Yawn. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #165

Thanks to Obamacare my brother no longer has to worry about losing his home if his wife gets sick peacebird Nov 2013 #170