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In reply to the discussion: How is Obamacare not a disaster for the Democratic party? (revised) [View all]BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)77. Wrong.
That myth was based on hearsay - originating from Daschle. He's since retracted it. I've explained in post #40 - complete with links!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4006866
Everyone who had been paying attention - and could hear through the loud noise backed by Koch Bros' Teabagger movement - knew that the majority of Senate Dems and Republicans and Lieberman (who threatened to filibuster) were against single-payer AND the public option. They would've also seen President Obama campaigning on the Public Option in Montana, with Baucus in attendance.
It's official: The public option is dead
Updated: Friday, March 26th, 2010 | By Louis Jacobson
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/518/create-public-option-health-plan-new-national-heal/
Advocates had argued that a government-run insurance plan would keep private insurers honest by competing with them so they couldn't charge unfair rates for basic services. Opponents countered that the public option would have presented too much government involvement in the health care system.
But while the House of Representatives approved a bill with a public option, the Senate, after flirting with the concept, chose not to follow suit. When the House went on to pass the Senate version, House Democratic leaders went along with the Senate's version.
The reason for not including a public option was pretty simple. When an audience member at a March 25, 2010, speech in Iowa City, Iowa, asked why the public option wasn't included, Obama responded, "Because we couldn"t get it through Congress, that"s why."
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How is Obamacare not a disaster for the Democratic party? (revised) [View all]
brentspeak
Nov 2013
OP
I take *pride* in being on the opposite side of most issues as you, Sid. It's how I know I'm on the
Romulox
Nov 2013
#18
No. I won't hate anything that's constructive or that goes against the status quo.
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2013
#79
Is this a threat? I think a toxic atmosphere of intimidation is taking over... nt
Romulox
Nov 2013
#136
And you *do* know that those people you find so credible, are responsible for killing the P.O.,
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2013
#57
empathy? I have empathy for my friends, family and acquaintances who have chronic diseases
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#36
That's not what "empathy" means. It means caring about people other than you and yours.
Romulox
Nov 2013
#42
If by "backpedaling" you mean "threw it right back in your face", then yeah ...
11 Bravo
Nov 2013
#100
Nonsense. She used "counselor" as a term of derision/entitlement...for a *public defender*. nt
Romulox
Nov 2013
#139
um... a public defender is still a "Counselor at law" by profession. You're belittling her by acting
PeaceNikki
Nov 2013
#162
...and she's not a public defender. She's in private practice and owns her multi-attorney firm.
Chan790
Nov 2013
#167
She'll still be cut from her insurance if she can't pay the increased premium.
Romulox
Nov 2013
#140
The President negotiated away the Public Option in backdoor sessions with the Insurance Industry.
Romulox
Nov 2013
#21
NO, the purpose was to improve the individual insurance people were paying high premiums for
Fla Dem
Nov 2013
#43
They DO decrease in many markets -- even with the coverage being vastly superior to pre-ACA
BlueStreak
Nov 2013
#47
Who knows what they *will* do. We are reacting to what is actually happening. nt
Romulox
Nov 2013
#137
You are aware that Medicare was in much worse shape at this point on its own rollout timeline?
Chan790
Nov 2013
#169
Oh, here you are again trumpeting the horn of negativity, bad news, and concern. More people will
Pisces
Nov 2013
#11
The only problem is that insurance companies are still involved. But it is at least trying to
RBInMaine
Nov 2013
#166
It's a disaster because it doesn't do what the President said it would: a) Lower costs; b) insure
Romulox
Nov 2013
#25
So people not going to emergency rooms for care...costing us billions in taxes
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#115
It does "a" for most people, for "b" it insures a hell of a lot more in real plans...
Chan790
Nov 2013
#171
Well, after our little non-profit corporation was priced out of being able to afford health
Zorra
Nov 2013
#35
The article fails to give details about people's financial situations, the "comparable plans" they
BenzoDia
Nov 2013
#41
Do you even BEGIN to realize how many of us have been HELPED by this legislation???
ScreamingMeemie
Nov 2013
#103
That was pretty much the first thing that crossed my mind when I read this post. n/t
Ms. Toad
Nov 2013
#98
Poor families are also being negatively affected because of the family glitch.
MrsKirkley
Nov 2013
#61
Why would she want a substandard plan? Oh, yeah, because she's a lawyer and probably
valerief
Nov 2013
#65
People with chronic health conditions will likely have to pay at least $5,000/yr more.
MrsKirkley
Nov 2013
#73
More than what? YOu know many personal healthcare insurances that cover diabetes or cancer?
Mass
Nov 2013
#86
The ACA has its flaws, to be sure. But to claim it makes things *worse* for all of us
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#168
A lot more people have been helped than hurt. People know that. For one, I welcome a system who
Mass
Nov 2013
#84
Actually, the Dems who met with Obama met to make a few fixes. Even Landrieu this morning defended
Mass
Nov 2013
#148
If most Americans like "Obamacare" by the midterm election it will be a success. If not ...
spin
Nov 2013
#114
single payer is awesome, but we didn't have the votes for it. not even close.
dionysus
Nov 2013
#160
Because Dems just swept a southern state from a Teabagger running on your platform.
JaneyVee
Nov 2013
#124
I have been critical about the aca, however it benefits more people than it hurts
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#130
It is going to be interesting to see what kind of rebates are given out after next year.
Incitatus
Nov 2013
#158