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jpgray

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17. But no one said anything resembling your claim

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:07 AM

Dec 2011

There is much that is morally bankrupt and contemptible in any president, and those who defend them at their worst should be prepared to face criticism. Think of Clinton with financial deregulation, free trade with China, welfare reform - think of FDR and Japanese internment, court packing, etc. Defenders of those policies deserve all the criticism they receive.

A refusal to defend such garbage does not amount to rejection of Clinton or FDR, and refusal to defend Obama at his worst does not amount to a rejection of his presidency, or his candidacy in 2012.

To support a president or party does not require we pretend our lies are answers. If being asked to do so were grounds for rejecting a candidate, we could never vote for anyone.

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Morally bankrupt? [View all] Drunken Irishman Dec 2011 OP

Good rant... SidDithers Dec 2011 #1

Thank you. tabatha Dec 2011 #2

Pretty good - but: cliffordu Dec 2011 #3

Something get your Irish up? Scurrilous Dec 2011 #4

I voted for Gore and Obama. tblue Dec 2011 #5

No. Just the right to bitch... Drunken Irishman Dec 2011 #8

The fact that you are honest enough tblue Dec 2011 #18

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i voted for gore. i always vote DesertFlower Dec 2011 #7

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You forgot contemptible addict. DevonRex Dec 2011 #10

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I have to say... Spazito Dec 2011 #12

Hear, hear! Summer Hathaway Dec 2011 #14

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I was about to point that out WHEN CRABS ROAR Dec 2011 #20

Probably not, almost certainly not, and possible. MH1 Dec 2011 #45

This is ProSense Dec 2011 #16

But no one said anything resembling your claim jpgray Dec 2011 #17

Hmmm, this is the statement I distinctly remember as casting Obama supporters as "morally bankrupt" Spazito Dec 2011 #19

But that does not refer to Obama's supporters jpgray Dec 2011 #22

Who are the "defenders" as opposed to the "supporters" in your mind... Spazito Dec 2011 #26

Very few Obama supporters resemble those described in the OP jpgray Dec 2011 #28

Then the OP I cited was sadly lacking in clarity... Spazito Dec 2011 #30

I perceive that you are correct Owlet Dec 2011 #37

interesting SwampG8r Dec 2011 #29

Frustration is one thing, labeling Obama supporters as "defenders who are morally corrupt... Spazito Dec 2011 #32

i find it sad they reference any obama supporters SwampG8r Dec 2011 #61

But ProSense Dec 2011 #21

For the OP referred to in this thread, you could replace Obama's name with any president's jpgray Dec 2011 #23

Seriously, ProSense Dec 2011 #25

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