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karynnj

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42. The Palestinians are a people too

Sat Nov 9, 2013, 01:43 PM

Nov 2013

Not to mention it is against international law to build settlements in the occupied areas.

As to Israel shrinking, Israel itself does NOT treat those areas as if they are Israel. If they are Israel, shouldn't the people living their have all the same rights and privileges given to people living in Israel proper? Including the ability to vote?

If you say yes, consider that Likud absolutely does not want that. It would mean that soon (or possibly now) Jews would no longer be the majority.

If you say no, what are you calling for -
- a state where half (or more eventually) of its people are disenfranchised and suppressed in many ways - unable to easily drive from one city to another - and unable in most areas to purchase homes or land.
- the mass expulsion to (who knows where) of all the Palestinians - freeing up the area for Israelis.

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Check the link, my friend! Zeke L Brimstone Nov 2013 #6

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...for a very peculiar definition of "many" n/t FarrenH Nov 2013 #19

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Rabin was not vetoed, he was assassinated. Blue State Bandit Nov 2013 #30

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Add to that that a supermajority of American Jews favor the 2 state solution - karynnj Nov 2013 #33

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