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In reply to the discussion: JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)91. LeMay was very complicated fellow...a Hero and a Patriot...
...and probably crazy with the knowledge of what he had done. Here's an excellent profile -- hagiography, I think, is the word:
LeMay
Doolittle and Eaker said he was the greatest air commander of all time.
By Walter J. Boyne
Air Force Magazine, March 1998
There has never been anyone like Gen. Curtis E. LeMay. Within the Air Force, he was extraordinarily successful at every level of command, from squadron to the entire service. He was a brilliant pilot, preeminent navigator, and excellent bombardier, as well as a daring combat leader who always flew the toughest missions.
A master of tactics and strategy, LeMay not only played key World War II roles in both Europe and the Pacific but also pushed Strategic Air Command to the pinnacle of greatness and served as the architect of victory in the Cold War. He was the greatest air commander of all time, determined to win as quickly as possible with the minimum number of casualties.
SNIP...
Despite his own inclination to avoid it, LeMay became a celebrity as SAC's commander, in small part because he continued flying and setting records. More than anything else, it is important to emphasize that LeMay had been a simple good soldier at SAC. Recent sensationalist television presentations and revisionist articles have claimed that he authorized, on his own, provocative overflights of the Soviet Union. They have alleged that his intentions were to acquire justification for launching a preemptive nuclear strike. These claims are totally false, fabrications made up from partial truths, comments taken out of context, and-on occasion-deliberately literal interpretations of obviously sarcastic remarks.
SNIP...
LeMay found himself caught in an impossible situation when he became Chief on June 30, 1961, for he did not understand his leaders and they did not appreciate his experience as a warrior. The new civilian authority, led by President John F. Kennedy and Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara, adopted a policy of "flexible response" advocated by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army Gen. Maxwell D. Taylor.
To a significant degree, flexible response led the US into a ground war in Southeast Asia; it made no sense to LeMay. His advice on not entering combat in Southeast Asia was ignored, and most galling of all, once combat began, his advice on how to win the war was ignored as well. Later, he noted that the US dropped 502,000 tons of bombs on Japan and won the war. In Southeast Asia, the US dropped 6,162,000 tons of bombs (mostly on our ally, South Vietnam) and lost the war.
The difference was that in Japan, LeMay chose the targets, and in Vietnam, McNamara and President Lyndon B. Johnson did.
His inability to deal with the Kennedy and Johnson administrations filled his years as Chief with frustration. LeMay believed in civilian control but also believed that civilian control of the military implicitly required careful consideration of the military's advice on military matters. He particularly resented McNamara's continual use of "military" rationale to explain decisions that he made based only on quantitative analysis.
SNIP...
Gen. David Jones, former USAF Chief of Staff and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was once LeMay's aide and pilot. He has related how, many years later, in Orlando, Fla., in a gathering of retired generals, LeMay was asked why he had run with Wallace. LeMay was silent, then replied that he despised Wallace's policies and would never have run with him if he thought he had a chance at winning. He did, however, believe that the Democratic nominee for President, Hubert Humphrey, would be disastrous for the country's defenses if elected. Thus, according to LeMay, he ran with Wallace, against all his desires, simply to help take votes away from Humphrey.
CONTINUED...
http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1998/March%201998/0398lemay.aspx
So, the idea of him going against his civilian commander-in-chief is pretty revolting. The thing is, what was LeMay hearing from the others at the top of the secret heap? That Kennedy was a commie? A sexual deviant? A drug user? We don't know. We do know that some at the top of the secret heap have done a lot to obstruct justice. We also know LeMay did not care for leadership as envisioned by Liberal Democrats.
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JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all]
Octafish
Nov 2013
OP
How could Bundy have possibly known there was no conspiracy when Oswald was arrested?
Sanity Claws
Nov 2013
#1
James Galbraith wrote his dad, John Kenneth Galbraith, made the arrangements...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#103
Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on another tape...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#8
If JFK had to put up with this sh*t, what do imagine President Obama has to face? nt
kelliekat44
Nov 2013
#59
That's all Mr. Kelly said on that. Others at the conference expressed the opinion LBJ...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#6
You are a very respected DUer Octafish, one of the most respected, in fact one of the reasons
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#88
The "new tape" was released in Jan '12. And the article shows it's not a lie
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#43
The salient information from the new tape is LeMay lied about his whereabouts (REPOST).
Octafish
Nov 2013
#45
It's relevant because it was edited out of the tapes in the National Archives.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#49
The conversation between LBJ, Ladybird, and Rose Kennedy was also edited out, Octafish.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#50
No. LeMay disobeyed an order to fly to Andrews AFB. All the rest of that is what you say.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#55
The log puts 'NOT' in all caps, meaning Le May is not going where he was ordered.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#60
But what you are saying is insubordination is not insubordination, Octafish.
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#63
Something to remember to ask when going over all this: Why was LeMay in Canada?
Octafish
Nov 2013
#64
No. I'm just wondering why he had to be picked up hundreds of miles away in Canada.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#67
Which is why Dulles and Lemnitzer counseled all-out nuclear sneak attack on USSR
Octafish
Nov 2013
#72
And so how did the all-out nuclear attack on USSR go after Kennedy was out of the way? n/t
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#73
THE TAKE-AWAY: JFK stood up to the Cold War hawks who counseled war -- EVERY TIME.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#74
You mean they killed Kennedy to get a nuclear war and then they didn't get one?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#76
Yes, to introduce some much needed levity to this discussion. Nevertheless
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#101
A recurring theme throughout Kennedy's term in office seems to be the Pentagon's 'desire' for a.....
LongTomH
Nov 2013
#32
So how did that late 1963 preemptive nuclear strike work out for the Pentagon?
Bolo Boffin
Nov 2013
#39
Interesting collection of books, including Michio Kaku and Daniel Axelrod's...
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Nov 2013
#38
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bobthedrummer
Nov 2013
#81
CNN Failed to Credit Bill Kelly's role in their report on the Air Force One tapes.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#104