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Oilwellian

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93. A very clear example of info tampering

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:09 PM

Nov 2013

Why would they withhold this seemingly mundane information about LeMay's whereabouts, and then find he later lied about it in his biography? Very curious, indeed.

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JFK Conference: Bill Kelly introduced new evidence - adding Air Force One tape recordings [View all] Octafish Nov 2013 OP

How could Bundy have possibly known there was no conspiracy when Oswald was arrested? Sanity Claws Nov 2013 #1

JFK's aide Kenny O'Donnell may have wondered about that... Octafish Nov 2013 #7

Is this the same Harriman as in hootinholler Nov 2013 #19

The very same. Octafish Nov 2013 #27

Jackie and the children stayed at Averell Harriman's home Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #102

James Galbraith wrote his dad, John Kenneth Galbraith, made the arrangements... Octafish Nov 2013 #103

yup, I agree with you suspicions gopiscrap Nov 2013 #12

I would love to be there gopiscrap Nov 2013 #2

Generals mocking JFK behind his back during Cuban Missile Crisis caught on another tape... Octafish Nov 2013 #8

wow, fucking warmongers! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #9

Lisa Pease: JFK, FDR and 'Seven Days in May' Octafish Nov 2013 #56

thanks I want to read that! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #57

If JFK had to put up with this sh*t, what do imagine President Obama has to face? nt kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #59

Did LBJ suspect Soviet involvement, or was he pretending to suspect it? nt 851-977 Nov 2013 #3

That's all Mr. Kelly said on that. Others at the conference expressed the opinion LBJ... Octafish Nov 2013 #6

Are you familiar with the book Thom Hartmann arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #79

Curtis Lemay jehop61 Nov 2013 #4

You are thinking of General Edwin Walker. former9thward Nov 2013 #5

I doubt that Osawld did that gopiscrap Nov 2013 #11

No but he was the lone patsy. zeemike Nov 2013 #22

And Walker maintained that there was someone else involved. Sanity Claws Nov 2013 #14

The only reason Oswald was considered a crack shot was because former9thward Nov 2013 #21

thanks. memory does, at times, play tricks jehop61 Nov 2013 #16

no LeMay was the crazy fuck who was a vice presidential candidate gopiscrap Nov 2013 #10

have you come to your own conclusions? xiamiam Nov 2013 #13

The evidence seems to show a clear trail from LHO to Moscow. Octafish Nov 2013 #29

Oliver Stone was on Democracy Now! today talking about JFK deutsey Nov 2013 #15

Excellent! avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #18

Oliver Stone may've saved democracy in the United States of America. Octafish Nov 2013 #30

Thanks, Octa! deutsey Nov 2013 #31

Thanks, Octafish! And a Big DU Welcome to Bill Kelly, wherever you are! calimary Nov 2013 #17

Thank you, calimary! Octafish Nov 2013 #75

I doubt the "LeMay was really in Canada" thing has any legs. louis-t Nov 2013 #20

Yep there are all kinds of theories around. zeemike Nov 2013 #26

Here's Bill Kelly's thread at the JFK Education Forum on the same subject. stranger81 Nov 2013 #23

Also see the Doug Horne interview linked here, re the Clifton tapes: stranger81 Nov 2013 #25

Doug Horne worked for the ARRB... Octafish Nov 2013 #44

Hope this doesn't get locked. zeemike Nov 2013 #24

Detroit Free Press has story on Sunday front page... Octafish Nov 2013 #83

Well I am glad this is still hear and active. zeemike Nov 2013 #90

More from your jfkcountercoup link: Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #28

SOP doesn't apply to some posters...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #33

So it goes. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #34

Why do you continue to imply things that are not true about me, SidDithers? Octafish Nov 2013 #36

You are a very respected DUer Octafish, one of the most respected, in fact one of the reasons sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author Octafish Nov 2013 #40

The "new tape" was released in Jan '12. And the article shows it's not a lie Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #43

The salient information from the new tape is LeMay lied about his whereabouts (REPOST). Octafish Nov 2013 #45

And my points still remain valid. Not a new tape, and not proof of a lie. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #46

Absolutely. And the fact remains LeMay disobeyed orders... Octafish Nov 2013 #47

Lemay disobeying orders is yet to be established, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #48

It's relevant because it was edited out of the tapes in the National Archives. Octafish Nov 2013 #49

The conversation between LBJ, Ladybird, and Rose Kennedy was also edited out, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #50

My source is Bill Kelly. His source is Andrews AFB Log from 22 November 1963. Octafish Nov 2013 #53

OK, already it's changed from "disobeyed an order" to "disobeyed wishes." Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #54

No. LeMay disobeyed an order to fly to Andrews AFB. All the rest of that is what you say. Octafish Nov 2013 #55

I have shown you are wrong about that. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #58

The log puts 'NOT' in all caps, meaning Le May is not going where he was ordered. Octafish Nov 2013 #60

There was no order. You are 100% wrong about that. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #61

Insubordination is a crime, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Nov 2013 #62

But what you are saying is insubordination is not insubordination, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #63

Something to remember to ask when going over all this: Why was LeMay in Canada? Octafish Nov 2013 #64

He was in Upper Michigan on a hunting and fishing trip. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #65

No. I'm just wondering why he had to be picked up hundreds of miles away in Canada. Octafish Nov 2013 #67

Well, whatever floats your boat. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #69

There's no need to theorize. The facts themselves are startling. Octafish Nov 2013 #70

Hammer sees every problem as a nail: startling! n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #71

Which is why Dulles and Lemnitzer counseled all-out nuclear sneak attack on USSR Octafish Nov 2013 #72

And so how did the all-out nuclear attack on USSR go after Kennedy was out of the way? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #73

THE TAKE-AWAY: JFK stood up to the Cold War hawks who counseled war -- EVERY TIME. Octafish Nov 2013 #74

You mean they killed Kennedy to get a nuclear war and then they didn't get one? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #76

It looks that way. Octafish Nov 2013 #77

It's not telling. It's not relevant. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #82

Well, that certainly is what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover said happened. Octafish Nov 2013 #84

You certainly do have an addiction to the genetic fallacy. Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #94

Hitler connects directly to Allen Dulles and John McCloy... Octafish Nov 2013 #95

And Justin Bieber? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #97

The CIA enlisted the Mafia to assassinate Castro in 1960. Octafish Nov 2013 #98

And this was openly known and provable in 1960? Which was my question? n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #99

You asked about Justin Bieber, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Nov 2013 #100

Yes, to introduce some much needed levity to this discussion. Nevertheless Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #101

A recurring theme throughout Kennedy's term in office seems to be the Pentagon's 'desire' for a..... LongTomH Nov 2013 #32

Yes, and once they offed JFK, they starting shooting nukes! Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #35

It looks like that was their plan in Dallas, too, doesn't it? Octafish Nov 2013 #37

So how did that late 1963 preemptive nuclear strike work out for the Pentagon? Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #39

That would make an excellent avenue of inquiry, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Nov 2013 #41

I'll get right on that. n/t Bolo Boffin Nov 2013 #42

Interesting collection of books, including Michio Kaku and Daniel Axelrod's... Octafish Nov 2013 #38

What Curtis LeMay had to say about things: JDPriestly Nov 2013 #51

LeMay was Dixiecrat George Wallace's running mate in '68. Octafish Nov 2013 #52

Sorry if this was asked/answered already ... Myrina Nov 2013 #66

That was addressed at the Duquesne conference... Octafish Nov 2013 #68

something that has always bothered me was... grasswire Nov 2013 #78

Many in the Cabinet were over the Pacific, en route to Tokyo... Octafish Nov 2013 #80

Analysis Of Reports And Data Bearing On Circumstances Of Death Of Twenty-One Individuals Connected bobthedrummer Nov 2013 #81

Interesting, yes. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #85

She overdosed. Plain and simple. Happens all the time. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #87

Fascinating OP, Octafish. I had never heard of LeMay before. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #86

LeMay was very complicated fellow...a Hero and a Patriot... Octafish Nov 2013 #91

Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? warrior1 Nov 2013 #89

That is a very important question. Octafish Nov 2013 #92

A very clear example of info tampering Oilwellian Nov 2013 #93

CNN Failed to Credit Bill Kelly's role in their report on the Air Force One tapes. Octafish Nov 2013 #104

Alan Moore (author of V For Vendetta) on conspiracy theories... YoungDemCA Nov 2013 #96

How many JFK assassination books has he read? Octafish Nov 2013 #105