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158. I'm happy to know how very much in the minority you are on this issue.

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:13 PM

Nov 2013

But no one expects an end to hatred and bigotry either in this world. We just need a consensus and I believe this pope is succeeding in getting, for a kinder, more compassionate world, after the past several years of the US pushing torture and killing as a way towards 'change'.

Speaking of Whistle Blowers. I assume that your concern for Whistle Blowers who expose human rights crimes, extends to the egregious pursuit, torture and decades long incarceration of Chelsey Manning who witnessed War Crimes and whose conscience drove her to report them and expose them.

I'm glad to see your concern for Whistle Blowers. I hope we can at least agree that the current policies here in the US, where the lives of many good people who exposed crimes, have been destroyed.

I don't recall seeing your concern over this issue before, but perhaps you ARE among those of us who want to see an end to the crack down on Whistle Blowers and more emphasis on investigating and prosecuting the murderers, the torturers, the abusers etc.

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One by one, Pope greets hundreds in wheelchairs, laments society�s rejection of the disabled [View all] rug Nov 2013 OP

Gee. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #1

Yes, this is so controversial. rug Nov 2013 #2

You've seen all the strife Pope threads have caused in the last few days. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #4

So, you oppose or support welcoming people in wheelchairs? rug Nov 2013 #7

I'm not going to get into it. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #10

Suit yourself. Although the answer is quite simple. rug Nov 2013 #11

Should I start a thread every time you do your job? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #13

Oooh, that would be nice. I'm drafting a will Monday. Let me know when you start the post. rug Nov 2013 #16

Do share with us what other Pope has ever done this. Thanks! nt babylonsister Nov 2013 #17

john the 23rd was awesome. I am of the opinion that when someone acts like roguevalley Nov 2013 #33

I am enjoying it too. Shaking things up. I like it. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #79

Welcome to my IGNORE list CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #119

Well Said! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #123

My hatred for the Pope is justified. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #160

Hatred of any one is not a healthy choice. No Vested Interest Nov 2013 #171

Hatred only hurts you in the end. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #189

Looks like you already did. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #185

Obviously a good person billhicks76 Nov 2013 #57

I'm with you, brother......................nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #110

My son and husband are disabled. My daughter is bi. I can support what he is doing for the sick, liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #12

I hope all your loved ones are doing well. rug Nov 2013 #15

He hasn't done anything to change his own views on homosexuality. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #20

He said "who am i to judge?" MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #51

Actually he said who are you to judge chaste GLBT people. Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #127

"all the strife"� it really is just you and maybe 3 or 4 other DU'ers. So "all" is over playing it. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #19

Discussion forums exist for people to share their opinions, do they not? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #21

yes they are. you should address this to the person who complained about rug expressing his opinion arely staircase Nov 2013 #139

So stop reading them. 840high Nov 2013 #26

Your post is the first match Renew Deal Nov 2013 #36

rug has a history of doing this. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #81

He has a history of standing up for his beliefs. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #85

And starting problems. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #100

No. you just don't like what he says. Rug does not cause problems here. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #102

Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #103

Well if pope threads are going to be allowed in GD now then he can post on it. I work with Rug on hrmjustin Nov 2013 #105

Well, not all Pope threads ARE allowed on GD theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #196

Ok several things. While some of the pope threads were alerted on not all were. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #197

I am not interested in posting my thread to the religious forum theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #198

You make a good point. It had had a political nature to it. I would have left it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #199

I was interested in reading the story Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #194

It appears his beliefs violate DU's rules... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #128

Implying, no mattter how obliquely, that a member is a bigot is a ToS violsation. rug Nov 2013 #130

Are you like your fellow Catholic, Gman, and teach gay kids they are intrinsically disordered? Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #134

Are you like your fellow antiCatholics and preach that Catholics are intrinsically disordered? rug Nov 2013 #137

I condemn people for the beliefs they hold, and I oppose those beliefs... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #140

Oh get off your high horse, blanketing hatred with principle. The hypocirisy iis stunning. rug Nov 2013 #143

What hatred? Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #145

Lol. rug Nov 2013 #152

Being a RC violates the rules? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #169

Some of the beliefs held by the Church are a violation of some of DU's rules... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #173

He does not hold those beliefs. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #174

Evidence? All I see is his reactionary need to defend his church... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #193

I know rug, besides I am not the one making the accusation, you are. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #195

lol Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #188

Respectfully, there are several ways you can hide pope threads. pacalo Nov 2013 #97

Lol, that last ssentence is ironic. rug Nov 2013 #132

if you don't like it then don't open it book_worm Nov 2013 #69

Why is it so important to stifle dissent about the pope? Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #101

Well, if it weren't for people who keep popping up to start shit in such threads... n/t Scootaloo Nov 2013 #163

Yeah...god forbid I stick up for LGBT rights. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #164

Now I see the problem, you think this thread is about LGBT or homophobia. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #179

... Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #180

No, this thread was about a pope that was greeting handicapped people. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #184

Okay, I'll play theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #182

So you are saying that the Catholic church has a problem with handicapped people. OK. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #186

Not exactly. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #187

lol Iggo Nov 2013 #191

That is fantastic. I love it. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #3

Me too. Tired of the pope haters. Courtesy Flush Nov 2013 #41

Yes, we don't agree with him 100% skepticscott Nov 2013 #64

You can answer your own question but you are doing a fine job of division. rug Nov 2013 #68

Tired of the lovers of the homophobic pope HERVEPA Nov 2013 #90

I consider this a good thing, even tho I am a big critic of the Vatican... CTyankee Nov 2013 #5

That's nice�but this is what any leader of a church should be doing�it shouldn't be big news... Tikki Nov 2013 #6

I agree. But I laud it when it does happen. rug Nov 2013 #8

So did I and it is nice�I have worked with the disabled and like us all it is amazing to.. Tikki Nov 2013 #18

But it is BIG news since so many leaders of a church don't do it. kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #77

So you're saying we should get down on our knees skepticscott Nov 2013 #82

the fact he stopped to greet each one and chat a little is what makes this clearly not a cynical PR arely staircase Nov 2013 #9

that's kind of what I was thinking kydo Nov 2013 #22

The disabled are often forgotten in our politically charged discussions LittleBlue Nov 2013 #14

Thanks for the picture rug. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #23

This is a teaching moment for all, he is living his faith and many could follow his example Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #24

And his comments about Gays as parents is following his faith and an example to follow? HERVEPA Nov 2013 #91

As you find a problem and it might be too much for you to overcome then the rest of the readers can Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #125

yes. declining to judge others is an exampe to follow. that would be the most recent thing he has arely staircase Nov 2013 #141

Sorry, only counts if he verbally and specifically reputes earlier statements. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #142

iyho nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #144

Duh, everything on this board is isho HERVEPA Nov 2013 #149

Thank you. Now run and hide. 840high Nov 2013 #25

Uh-oh!! I can see some DUer's heads exploding. madinmaryland Nov 2013 #27

Why? I'm sure there are pictures of Sen. Owen Hill teaching and caring for poor kids in Africa... Moonwalk Nov 2013 #106

Yet conservative "Christians" prefer televangelist hucksters. JEFF9K Nov 2013 #28

Seen tribes come to do almost the same thing with disabled people. Strong advocates, seldom heard. freshwest Nov 2013 #29

Oh, well, in that case, he is apparently a saint! Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #30

These people and their families are clearly believers. He did a fine thing. nolabear Nov 2013 #31

Another well-staged photo op for the pope skepticscott Nov 2013 #32

. Dawson Leery Nov 2013 #40

Your implication is that the people in the picture are dupes or willing props. rug Nov 2013 #43

+1 cordelia Nov 2013 #52

I think he Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #34

Francis does good works... Historic NY Nov 2013 #35

When I see a crowd like that of LGBT people and they are being given communion William769 Nov 2013 #37

You don't think there are LGBT people there? rug Nov 2013 #38

Who knows. William769 Nov 2013 #39

I think there are many, and I know some, who receive Communion and there are many priests, I know 2, rug Nov 2013 #42

Sorry but I find nothing in the Catholic church interesting. William769 Nov 2013 #44

Then you're missing most of western history. rug Nov 2013 #46

Or when the pope is performing a marriage ceremony skepticscott Nov 2013 #45

Do tell, scott. What am I pretending? rug Nov 2013 #47

There are several words I could use but choose not to so I will just use one. William769 Nov 2013 #48

What's the delusion? rug Nov 2013 #50

That describes the religionists skepticscott Nov 2013 #63

Congratulations. You just called most posters in this thread, if not on DU, delusional. rug Nov 2013 #66

I would love to see that day happen. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #49

Pray a little harder, because some are trying to pray the Gay away. William769 Nov 2013 #53

I will my friend. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #55

i can totally understand your point of view on this topic. dionysus Nov 2013 #70

Nailed it... SidDithers Nov 2013 #129

Pope photo op of the day... To bad he also laments the rejection of pedophile priests Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #54

Don't forget to mention the Crusades, Giordano Bruno and Galileo while you're at it. rug Nov 2013 #56

Did you bother to read it? They fired the whistleblower last week Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #59

Yes I read it and good for him. But it is in fact a different topic. rug Nov 2013 #60

Way to act decisively... Fire the whistleblower... That will protect the kids Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #61

If you read the link, the superiors of his Order reassigned him. rug Nov 2013 #65

So... First dismiss it...Then deny it... Then ignore it... But boy oh boy does he take a good pic Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #71

The problem is I have to remove the glass from the monitor first, then wipe it off from the back. rug Nov 2013 #74

Ahhh... The old 'lets lable them as angry' bit... Do you think anyone will buy it? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #78

I didn't say "them" and I didn't say "angry". I said "you" and I said "tired, bigoted and stupid" rug Nov 2013 #83

Yeah... Having a bit of trouble following? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #95

Not in the least. I know where it goes after the flush. rug Nov 2013 #96

I see... We should only mention good things about him Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #104

Do you think the pope should not be supporting the disabled? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #148

That is what you get from this? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #153

This is a relatively new pope, the first from his part of the world. That alone is a change. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #155

Non-sense... No more then lip service is being given to the issues Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #157

I'm happy to know how very much in the minority you are on this issue. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #158

WTF? Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #159

Does it bother you that on an issue you claim to be so concerned about sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #170

The pope supports full rights for gays? Bullshit, plain and simple. Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #172

Now now, Ohio Joe... theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #175

And the facts are? ?? sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #176

Well, I'd say start here theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #177

Well, I'd say start here... theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #178

Not a very good attempt at avoidance, coupled with putting words into my mouth which I did not say. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #192

Shhh! Just surrender to the PR and slobber over this pope Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #67

A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. rug Nov 2013 #72

Yeah. You're describing yourself. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #73

I haven't seen any slobbering. rug Nov 2013 #75

But he's a nice guy! Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #80

Francis! What an asshole! baldguy Nov 2013 #58

it matters to THEM. and that's ALL that matters. BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #62

I am not a fan of organized religion. I am *really* not a fan of organized religion. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #76

He's tried to improve image, and that is all skepticscott Nov 2013 #84

Where do you see People here supporting Sexism and homophobia? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #86

Neever mind that, where are the rabid people? rug Nov 2013 #87

LOL. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #88

LOL! nt laundry_queen Nov 2013 #118

Sexism and anti-gay bigotry are skepticscott Nov 2013 #120

No one here supports that here. I understand you reasoning but we are just saying we like the hrmjustin Nov 2013 #168

What's with all the hate in this thread? geomon666 Nov 2013 #89

This has been going on for days now. Brigid Nov 2013 #92

Apparently a Pope greeting people in wheelchairs is the equivalent of pissing in cornflakes. rug Nov 2013 #93

I guess so n/t geomon666 Nov 2013 #94

People are angry at the Church in general, and with good reason. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #99

Where did all the hate skepticscott Nov 2013 #121

Apparently none of them brought enough money to be healed. xfundy Nov 2013 #98

Okay, so I have a question theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #107

Here are a couple more that accept men and women with disabilities. rug Nov 2013 #109

Maybe they need to work on being more inclusive themselves, then. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #112

This blows my mind. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #108

Hundreds of thousands of children raped... Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #111

Probably because most people don't fall for histrionic bullshit. rug Nov 2013 #113

Good point, it's just kids and women and gays. Right? Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #114

No, it's just you. rug Nov 2013 #115

At least not as easily as they fall for a well orchestrated PR campaign theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #116

No one is falling for anything. rug Nov 2013 #117

He is a good Pope and all his church people below him need to follow his example. Sunlei Nov 2013 #122

does he have a pet or two? one would think a Pope named Francis would also love animals :) Sunlei Nov 2013 #124

The Papal PR team kicks into high gear... SidDithers Nov 2013 #126

And the hate all things Catholic team slithers out one by one . . . . rug Nov 2013 #136

Call the whambulance... SidDithers Nov 2013 #147

Here, just for you. rug Nov 2013 #151

Oh the irony! whistler162 Nov 2013 #150

Watching video of this moved me to tears Justice Nov 2013 #131

My prayers go out to those in wheel chairs polynomial Nov 2013 #133

A belated welcome to DU. rug Nov 2013 #138

In order for the women and LBGT to be heard arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #135

Well, as I pointed out earler... theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #161

That is what they are counting on with this arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #162

Yep. theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #165

I figure they hired BP's PR firm just before the arthritisR_US Nov 2013 #166

Grandstanding. Religious conservatives are primarily responsible for this rejection of the disabled. Zorra Nov 2013 #146

Not a Catholic or a practitioner of any Skidmore Nov 2013 #154

k&r... spanone Nov 2013 #156

knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #167

As a former Catholic and now an agnostic, I see this as a very big deal. A Simple Game Nov 2013 #181

Yeah, shame on me, god damn it: Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #183

I don't know why the Pope haters just don't avoid reading posts about him. Beacool Nov 2013 #190