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tkmorris

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113. Sorry, failure in logic there

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 03:01 PM

Nov 2013

As they say, everyone is entitled to their opinion (I'm not certain that old adage has any value but that's for another time).

However that does NOT mean that all opinions are equally valid. To be pedantic about it, "valid" and "opinion" don't really belong in the same sentence. Measuring the value of an opinion is an analog thing, not an either/or proposition. For example, Sarah Palin's opinions on foreign policy have a measure greater than zero, though said value is so infinitesimally small that it has yet to be measured. John Kerry's opinions on same are not unquestionably correct in all cases, and thus not "one", but are immeasurably greater than Palin's.

Your opinions on guns, Guns Rights Activists, and their actions in this case are not valid or invalid. They exist in a grey area somewhere in between. I happen to think they lean rather heavily in one direction, though I will leave it to you to figure out which.

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40 Armed Gun Advocates Intimidate Mothers Against Gun Violence In A Restaurant Parking Lot [View all] warrior1 Nov 2013 OP

Good Heavens NMDemDist2 Nov 2013 #1

I'm truly one sick SOB 'cause It would have been fun to be behind those fellows (about 30 feet... BlueJazz Nov 2013 #138

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!! OldRedneck Nov 2013 #174

Good thing for them they're at the mall. lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #175

Too Many Innocents erpowers Nov 2013 #275

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #414

Wow, first post and already........................... Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #419

No kidding. Was that post even worth the effort of signing up to post it? arcane1 Nov 2013 #423

Cavers and dwellers must think so, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #425

He was answering to my post. I'll bet it was something flattering. (I didn't get to see it) BlueJazz Nov 2013 #431

Not quite, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #435

Then let me say Ranchemp, you have to be the 2nd smartest for recognizing my brilliance. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #440

FYI: Here's a copy & paste discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #441

Oh..well....sounds like to me he was just concerned for my safety, plus ...he did call them clowns. BlueJazz Nov 2013 #447

:wink: discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2013 #449

Incite to riot, I think mrsadm Nov 2013 #453

or insight to a riot BlueJazz Nov 2013 #454

The posture on the guys with the guns... tenderfoot Nov 2013 #2

They fantasize about being heros. I wonder how many of them served in the military at some point? JDPriestly Nov 2013 #186

What are you talking about? They know all about the military. lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #204

Probably "near veterans." delta17 Nov 2013 #216

That site is the military version of the Onion, right? Ineeda Nov 2013 #475

Yeah, it is pretty funny. delta17 Nov 2013 #500

Like some comedy movie: Are you a weapons expert? Yes, I have played Halo for over 10 years. vinny9698 Nov 2013 #266

You all got suckered. They're posing for a group photo, not facing the 'Mothers group. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #283

we got suckered? did these 40 assholes show up with their guns to intimidate 4 women or not? frylock Nov 2013 #291

I refer you to Tenderfoot's post. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #292

Look at those butt-nuggets with their hands on the triggers, as if they're "ready for combat" in a Erose999 Nov 2013 #480

None of them had their fingers on the triggers. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #482

+1 (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #295

I think you've got a really fucked up interpretation of the word "suckered". EOTE Nov 2013 #304

Again, I refer you to Tenderfoot's post about their posture. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #306

Ahhh, so by "You all", you mean "This one guy" and by "suckered" you mean EOTE Nov 2013 #308

There are at least three top-level responses AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #310

You pointed to one response and that response says NOTHING like you say it does. EOTE Nov 2013 #311

Oh please, it's right there in plain english. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #312

Why the hell are you running away from your own statements. EOTE Nov 2013 #315

I'm not running away from anything. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #318

Uh huh. So you think that the non-declarative statement the poster made is him being "suckered". EOTE Nov 2013 #321

He is a she. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #323

And what is that statement, exactly? If I were to garner a statement from that non-declarative EOTE Nov 2013 #331

It doesn't say 'the guys with the guns -facepalm'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #336

It really hurts you to get specific, doesn't it? EOTE Nov 2013 #339

Not posturing, POSTURE. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #346

Your attack of a fellow DUer for rightfully going after these evil fucks is what's laughable. EOTE Nov 2013 #349

That's not an attack. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #350

You said they were "suckered" again for a non-declarative statement. EOTE Nov 2013 #352

That is not an attack. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #355

No, I'd have felt better if you didn't make such a stupid comment in the first place. EOTE Nov 2013 #363

Error. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #372

Christ, isn't it tiring being so pedantic? EOTE Nov 2013 #379

No, being pedantic normally helps. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #381

What was the poster's error again? EOTE Nov 2013 #385

I cannot simply any more than the post itself offers. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #387

Now you're not even providing full sentences. EOTE Nov 2013 #391

I'm going to wait for the original poster to clarify it for you AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #394

You go ahead and do that. EOTE Nov 2013 #396

I firmly believe you are misconstruing the comment. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #402

I firmly believe you are talking out of your ass. EOTE Nov 2013 #408

And how surprising I'm NOT talking about the insults you gave to people you weren't even responding EOTE Nov 2013 #364

Yes, I speak in plural to individuals. "You all" AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #367

So, I show you how incredibly stupid and baseless your attack on the person you ACTUALLY responded EOTE Nov 2013 #371

Begs the question. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #375

The poster wasn't misled. EOTE Nov 2013 #377

It is entirely relevant to their posture in that photo. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #383

And again, what was inaccurate about what the poster said? EOTE Nov 2013 #388

I have repeatedly explained. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #390

You haven't even come CLOSE to explaining. You've simply said that it's "self evident". EOTE Nov 2013 #393

Your 'evidence' is a fabrication, that is intentionally bereft of EVERY attempt I have made to AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #400

Again, are you going to even attempt to present evidence? EOTE Nov 2013 #404

If you are so hell bent on interpreting it as a personal attack AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #407

I don't use the alert button. EOTE Nov 2013 #410

Hidden posts can be viewed if one wishes. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #411

I know how DU works. EOTE Nov 2013 #413

If you REALLY believe AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #418

I am under no obligation to alert on anything. EOTE Nov 2013 #422

Also, quit building strawmen. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #313

So why, exactly, did you accuse someone who didn't even make a declarative statement EOTE Nov 2013 #314

Poster didn't call them assholes. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #316

Uhhh, what part of "not a declarative statement" don't you understand? EOTE Nov 2013 #319

Keep ignoring the facepalm icon. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #322

Ahhh, so it's the facepalm icon that's the declarative statement. EOTE Nov 2013 #333

Again, posture. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #337

What OF their posture? EOTE Nov 2013 #340

Invented. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #347

YOU are the one who has repeatedly mentioned their posture. At least a good half dozen times now. EOTE Nov 2013 #351

Quit feigning outrage. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #354

Suggesting someone is a sucker is not an attack? Are you sure I'm feigning outrage? EOTE Nov 2013 #358

You're good at word games. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #362

If you truly thought that any one could have fooled by something, it was rather foolish to suggest EOTE Nov 2013 #365

They are synonyms. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #369

You should apologize to the poster, not to me. EOTE Nov 2013 #374

The comment is self-evident. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #380

Their postures were those of ignorant, alpha-male wannabe assholes. EOTE Nov 2013 #382

You are specifying a different usage of 'posture' than the context of that comment assumes. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #384

Posture could either mean their pose or their behavior. EOTE Nov 2013 #386

Says you. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #389

Uhhh, says the dictionary, champ. EOTE Nov 2013 #392

Yes, words do have fixed meanings. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #395

And what definition would that be, champ? EOTE Nov 2013 #398

Noun. Definition one. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #403

Uhhh, that's the one I mentioned champ. I mentioned it a few posts ago, were you not paying EOTE Nov 2013 #406

I did notice that, but you misconstrue it. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #409

I misconstrued nothing. EOTE Nov 2013 #412

First, I did not 'go after'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #416

Suggesting that someone got "suckered" because of a perfectly reasonably comment EOTE Nov 2013 #420

I am casting aspersions. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #428

Brandishing is not the same as pointing or aiming. Nine Nov 2013 #326

No they weren't. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #327

Call the cops? You remind me of someone else on this thread. Nine Nov 2013 #335

You claim they are breaking the law. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #338

I never made the claim that they are breaking TX law. Nine Nov 2013 #341

Yes you did. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #348

Words have meanings beyond a narrow legal definition. Nine Nov 2013 #353

Flaunting I agree with. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #359

Doesn't really matter - it was agains the TX Penal Code AAO Nov 2013 #485

Calculated to alarm is informed by decades of case law. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #486

It meets the letter of the law. Done discussing. AAO Nov 2013 #492

That's not how it works in real life. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #493

Hows that? AAO Nov 2013 #494

Case law informs how officers enforce the black letter of the law. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #495

Well, I just read the law, and it seems to apply here, undeniably. AAO Nov 2013 #503

I can supply you state appeals court level decisions on this for my state, if you'd like. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #504

A political demonstration that intimidates with guns some mothers eating lunch? AAO Nov 2013 #505

It's a language nuance I think. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #506

If a bunch of people weilding rifles forms a group outside a restaraunt I'm eating at.... AAO Nov 2013 #508

I certainly appreciate your point of view. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #509

Thanks. AAO Nov 2013 #510

They turned up at the mother's group with guns BainsBane Nov 2013 #427

I actually specified that at one point. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #430

I just got a text from work BainsBane Nov 2013 #433

:( Stay safe. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #434

No, I'm not there now BainsBane Nov 2013 #437

I hope your co-workers/the public are ok. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #439

I haven't either BainsBane Nov 2013 #451

So the fact that these idiots came fully armed in response to a small group meeting.... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #442

Sigh AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #443

Care to elaborate? nt Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #444

I have. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #445

The context was that these thugs chose it upon themselves... Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #476

And you'll note, I'm not excusing the behavior. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #477

You will at least admit the intimidation was there, right? Tommy_Carcetti Nov 2013 #479

I can see how it can be threatening. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #481

It's threatening, bullying (at best) behavior, period. No "can" about it. n/t nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #497

+1 nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #496

My tweet conversation with one of the #gunbullies Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #345

That guy in the red shirt kcr Nov 2013 #3

the other idiots are just standing there, which i guess is legal in that backwards area. dionysus Nov 2013 #6

Yep. kcr Nov 2013 #7

Here's the happy gang of nuts AAO Nov 2013 #288

A RW friend sent me this: Keefer Nov 2013 #460

That's bullshit! mwrguy Nov 2013 #461

In jail for what? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #462

Menacing and brandishing a weapon mwrguy Nov 2013 #470

Police on the scene disagree with you. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #471

Redneck cops let a bunch of armed thugs terrorize liberals mwrguy Nov 2013 #472

If that's what makes you sleep better at night, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #473

The state of TX disagrees with logic in many cases. FUCK Texas - I'll never go there. AAO Nov 2013 #474

Don't go there, that's your right, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #478

I have nothing against normal everyday Texans - just their politicians and the moron teabaggers. AAO Nov 2013 #483

On that we can agree on. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #484

You hate cops but want people arrested. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #515

I hate the corrupt ones that won't protect unarmed women mwrguy Nov 2013 #516

What protection was required? There was never a threat. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2013 #517

he should still be identified and arrested G_j Nov 2013 #13

absolutely! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #162

I would be horrified to see these assholes in person. Control-Z Nov 2013 #225

Fucking idiots hack89 Nov 2013 #4

What they are doing is open intimidation. People should not carry guns in public, concealed, open, Hoyt Nov 2013 #38

Classy as always Hoyt - please don't change. .nt hack89 Nov 2013 #89

But they are all billh58 Nov 2013 #157

I've seen a number of your posts concerning guns and the seem to be as nutty as the Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #230

Why post rationally to people who have to strap on a gun to venture out in public? Hoyt Nov 2013 #231

"Why post rationally"? Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #236

Ha! That's funny! oldhippie Nov 2013 #239

"Discussing" gun issues here is a waste of time, for the most part. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #298

So is he really serious in what he posts or is he just yanking the chain? Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #458

Both, actually ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #459

Did the restaurant owner think the moms would riot? cyberswede Nov 2013 #5

Insanity! We're spending billions warring on "terrorism" and... TreasonousBastard Nov 2013 #8

In the gun owners defense, if they didn't have their assault weapons, Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #97

Well this is frightening! Ava Gadro Nov 2013 #9

Those were not automatic assault rifles, just semi auto clones of real assault rifles, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #26

So, folks who are attracted to "clones" of real assault rifles are still sick losers. Maybe sicker Hoyt Nov 2013 #31

We all have our own opinion, there's yours, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #56

You are a gun promoter/lover, I get that. Hoyt Nov 2013 #63

I am? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #71

What special skills were needed to determine that there were no fully automatic rhett o rick Nov 2013 #114

There are very few full auto rifles legally owned in this country, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #122

That's not much comfort to those being intimidated. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #183

It's not that easy to convert a modern semi auto to a full auto, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #187

It only takes one moron. Again, your rationalizations are no comfort to those being intimidated. nm rhett o rick Nov 2013 #196

Since it's in Texas SwankyXomb Nov 2013 #357

More like probablility approaching 0.00%. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #361

Anyone stupid enough to pull a stunt like this SwankyXomb Nov 2013 #370

I seriously doubt it. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #373

That would be a felony... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #269

I dont think you can tell a illegally converted automatic weapon from sight. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #421

There's "I'm An Asshole" Stupid and then there's "I'm Going To Jail" Stupid... Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #424

This message was self-deleted by its author Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #429

And you would be wrong, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #432

In the case of the AR, pop the take-down pin and look inside. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #328

Curious. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #82

Hoyt has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek hack89 Nov 2013 #104

So it would seem. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #112

yes it is Duckhunter935 Nov 2013 #108

Quite honestly I could care less about changing the hearts and minds of gun promoters/lovers Major Nikon Nov 2013 #279

You mean you are not a gun promoter/lover? Kingofalldems Nov 2013 #399

Not even close. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #405

Hmmmm, I noticed you made an assumption about me in a group I've been blocked from, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #415

Sorry, failure in logic there tkmorris Nov 2013 #113

I disagree, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #118

No. Facts are valid or invalid; opinions are not tkmorris Nov 2013 #135

That's your opinion, which I disagree with Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #137

Apparently I have confused you tkmorris Nov 2013 #142

Not you, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #147

Well done tk Caretha Nov 2013 #240

Not really, as this billh58 Nov 2013 #489

You have any proof of this accusation and why don't you address me directly? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #511

to be fair, owning one of those and parading around with it like a douchebag are two different thing dionysus Nov 2013 #169

I just don't think you should carry assault weapons in public hollowdweller Nov 2013 #277

Thanks for pointing this out to me. Ava Gadro Nov 2013 #191

who the fuck cares what they were? This assholes should be in jail and all firearms illegal. bowens43 Nov 2013 #223

That sounds as crazy as the Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #232

So all men should be treated as potential rapists because they have a penis? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #248

This is absolutely right! mwrguy Nov 2013 #252

Fuckin gun nuts Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #10

Gun cultists are bullies. Police should have arrested those losers. Hoyt Nov 2013 #11

why are three of those fools taking cover behind a car and brandishing? they hiding from a sniper? dionysus Nov 2013 #12

Why? Because it's acting. It's not real. It's Astroturf. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #15

No, it's sick gun nuttery, and it's time we quit putting up with this crap. Hoyt Nov 2013 #17

It is public theater. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #22

This is not theater, this is terrorism Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #28

If you really believed that, you would report them to the police instead of just posting here. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #50

I am supposed to call the police over a news article? Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #58

If you believe the law was broken, passionately so, call the police. I dare you. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #70

I dare you to call the police every time you read a story in the news which involves a broken law. Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #78

See #76. You claim to believe that the photo is real. I think it was staged. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #79

Wow. You cannot see that this looks threatening? chowder66 Nov 2013 #96

Which one of the Rhodes Scholars in the picture is you? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #235

If you want to see a Rhodes Scholar, try this photo: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #237

What the hell do Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have to do with the open carry idiots? Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #244

IMO, nobody should approve of open carry. But you indicated that you wanted to see a Rhodes Scholar AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #245

Actually no, I did not indicate that I wanted to see a Rhodes scholar Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #247

How old are you Caretha Nov 2013 #241

sleep well, sweet, sweet prince.. polish your precious for me! dionysus Nov 2013 #296

Thank you, administrators. At long last...... (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #342

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #242

It is a bunch of white gun bigots intimidating people. You can call it theater, but it's terrorism. Hoyt Nov 2013 #35

Why don't you find out when the two groups are having their next meeting? You could be on one AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #39

Hopefully next time the terrorists at these "group meetings" will be arrested Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #41

If you are really concerned, prove it. Call the police for the current activity and report it. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #44

If I witnessed something like that I would call the police on those terrorists Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #48

You did witness that. You saw the OP with the photo, above. Take action instead of making excuses. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #52

Do you call the police every time you read a crime story? Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #64

So you're not going to call the police? I dare you to do so. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #67

Answer the question. Do you call the police every time you read a crime story in the news? Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #73

Everytime that I believe that photographic evidence of someone brandishing a gun, and I post AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #76

Well I assume the police are really annoyed with you then Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #86

You mean, you haven't heard of the internet article police investigation team? kcr Nov 2013 #106

you're just afraid cases like this will make the gummint take away your pew pew pew toys, arent you? dionysus Nov 2013 #213

Really? You're "daring" an anonymous poster on the Internet? Ooooohhhh. Well, okay, then. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #227

FFS are you in that picture or something? quit badgering already. elehhhhna Nov 2013 #134

Why should I reply to a pizza? AAO Nov 2013 #293

There are plenty of group meetings of bigots and their guns, long before Mothers Against Guns. Hoyt Nov 2013 #49

what a diverse group. two of them are left handed. nt dionysus Nov 2013 #84

LMAO. According to the gun guy above, they are just actors. Hoyt Nov 2013 #91

And your feelings on these guys? SQUEE Nov 2013 #285

First, I have seen a number of right wing bigots throw that photo out to justify their gun love. Hoyt Nov 2013 #289

As an admited felonious character, I can see why you fear guns.. SQUEE Nov 2013 #299

Nope, SQUEE, I am not a felon. You need to learn to read in context and quit spewing gun love and Hoyt Nov 2013 #309

You bragged about commiting a felony. SQUEE Nov 2013 #448

Same as playing cowboys and indians as a kid. AAO Nov 2013 #294

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #88

You're calling a long time member a troll? Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #94

But he WAS a troll billh58 Nov 2013 #512

Ya. There are trolls on both sides of the issue, doncha know! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #513

No, I don't know what you mean, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #514

If you really believed that, you would report them to the police instead of just posting here. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #47

At least you waited until post #35 to play the race card. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #177

You must have missed this: "Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds" Hoyt Nov 2013 #221

Yeah, got there faster than the penis card! Eleanors38 Nov 2013 #250

As gun manufacturers and marketeers have recognized, the "penis card" sells guns to yahoos. Hoyt Nov 2013 #278

So is cross-burning, which I imagine the goons who pulled this stunt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #148

I'm not Black but I assume that the KKK would like to disarm all Black Americans. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #151

No, just intimidate. Just like these Taliban types nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #154

If they don't have those funny Taliban hats, they are not Taliban types. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #156

No, just Confederate flag caps and t-shirts. Call them Tealiban if you like nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #159

They all look like they shopped at the same Walmart. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #163

theatre is by definition, an entertainment --an agreement, if you will, between the performers BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2013 #273

The one does not deny the other. LanternWaste Nov 2013 #320

. dionysus Nov 2013 #18

And how do you know that Skidmore Nov 2013 #29

If you really believed that this was real, you would report them to the police. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #54

One trick pony HERVEPA Nov 2013 #280

One trick pizza! AAO Nov 2013 #297

One down, and only a billh58 Nov 2013 #488

If you really believe this was theater, you would call their agent for a Broadway show... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #324

... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #501

apparently you don't know the history of OCT, they are serious, and have pulled this stunt before. bettyellen Nov 2013 #87

because they see this thread as an attack on their pew pew pew toys. dionysus Nov 2013 #110

Because the women were going to beat them to death with their purses, the gun owners had no choice Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #100

They're hiding from some unarmed moms, LOL!! Bunch of babies. DevonRex Nov 2013 #194

Is this real? Or Astroturf with both groups financed by the same people? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #14

What? Who do you suspect is financing both group? Nine Nov 2013 #23

What rw stop-and-frisk billionaire has been supporting let's-take firearms-away-from-everyone AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #33

Those losers don't look like actors, they look like your typical gun terrorists. Hoyt Nov 2013 #55

They look like gun terrorists? Really. Then call the police. I dare you. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #72

Just because you consider them friends, I don't. They are armed initimidators, doing what is natural Hoyt Nov 2013 #80

All criminals who brandish firearms should be arrested and prosecuted. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #83

Yeah, because there's nobody that idiotic, selfish, inarticulate, fearful and so unable to cope cui bono Nov 2013 #125

That doesn't even make sense at any level. Skidmore Nov 2013 #30

If you really believed they were violating the law, you should report them to the police. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #60

So. Is that the only thing you can astroturf. Skidmore Nov 2013 #99

A contemporaneous appearance is not a requirement. Crimes can be reported after they've occurred. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #121

Seriously, Another False Flag Conspiracy? TomCADem Nov 2013 #446

Please. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #37

If you really believed they were violating the law, you should report them to the police. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #74

Why do you keep telling everyone who doesn't agree with you to 'call the police?' pangaia Nov 2013 #101

when one has lost the argument, keep repeating the same dumb shit over and over... dionysus Nov 2013 #107

+1111 pangaia Nov 2013 #109

Pot calling a kettle black? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #123

don't worry, no one's going to take away the precious. dionysus Nov 2013 #128

He hates Bilbo Baggins. nt awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #251

we hates the bagginses, yes we do.. the shiny precioussss.... dionysus Nov 2013 #254

Perfect... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #255

It's a simple taunt. defacto7 Nov 2013 #203

Yes, I was trying to be nice. pangaia Nov 2013 #220

I'm sure you were being nice... defacto7 Nov 2013 #226

I think you might have missed a dose. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #46

You should report them to the police if you really believed this was not just public theater. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #66

There is a concept that exists called time. cui bono Nov 2013 #129

Time gets all distorted in your moms basement MattBaggins Nov 2013 #276

. kcr Nov 2013 #51

i think we just discovered someone who really loves their pew pew pew toys... dionysus Nov 2013 #61

I think so kcr Nov 2013 #75

What you should think is that all criminals who brandish firearms should be arrested and prosecuted. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #85

I know! Because it's perfect world, where every criminal is rightfully arrested kcr Nov 2013 #90

You're making my head hurt. redwitch Nov 2013 #130

I double-dog-dare you to shutup and eat your pizza that you so fervently asked for. AAO Nov 2013 #300

Long overdue, that one. Bobbie Jo Nov 2013 #317

Amen. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #343

I hope right as he was taking the first bite, a cockroach popped up right in his mouth! AAO Nov 2013 #397

...bringing absurdity to new heights. performance art bro? dionysus Nov 2013 #53

If you really believed they were violating the law, you would report them to the police. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #57

I ask again, do you call the police every time you read a crime story in the news? Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #68

See #76, above. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #77

Why don't YOU call the police? Nine Nov 2013 #120

Obviously, I think it was public theater with two groups. That's not against the law. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #124

You don't have to share your personal opinion. Nine Nov 2013 #143

Agreed. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #150

What do you mean, "Agreed."? Nine Nov 2013 #195

Agreed with your "Just send them a link to the news story and ask them to look into whether any AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #202

What an idiotic comment. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #281

Stay classy, gun nuts! shenmue Nov 2013 #16

for 4 women? mopinko Nov 2013 #19

Bully cowards. I'd slap 'em. Stupid asses. Article says they left and went over to Hooters. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #34

Ten to one, plus they're armed, plus they're men. Deep13 Nov 2013 #103

These boys are too afraid to face those Moms unarmed. TeamPooka Nov 2013 #20

Interesting image. rrneck Nov 2013 #21

Looks they are posing for a picture. GreatCaesarsGhost Nov 2013 #24

I know this sounds Crazy, but I would have called their bluff Heather MC Nov 2013 #25

That was exactly my thought... zeemike Nov 2013 #43

Thank god a car didn't backfire or safeinOhio Nov 2013 #149

I think there was a greater chance they would have shot themselves in the foot Heather MC Nov 2013 #152

At least 'ol Barn only had one bullet. AAO Nov 2013 #305

Or that one of the Armed Gun Advocates didn't have gas. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #153

I'd like to think I'd have had something to say, too. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #301

That's just craziness. Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #27

Call them what they are The Wizard Nov 2013 #32

Good thing for the OCT'ers that they weren't carrying TOY guns! They'd be dead now! WinkyDink Nov 2013 #36

Big men there, intimidating unarmed women with their weapons. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #40

Fuckin' cowards. RedCappedBandit Nov 2013 #42

Bingo! nt Fla Dem Nov 2013 #144

but let a little boy walk down the street with a toy gun leftyohiolib Nov 2013 #45

Ironically, they are proving the Mom's point lobodons Nov 2013 #59

Didn't want to call 911???? dickthegrouch Nov 2013 #62

The single most idiotic detail in the whole story. Deep13 Nov 2013 #92

Same here 47of74 Nov 2013 #158

It was the store that didn't want to call 911 kcr Nov 2013 #161

"the restaurant manager did not want to call 911". Nothing prevented the women from doing so. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #164

And nothing in the story says they didn't do so. kcr Nov 2013 #166

The restaurant manager should be fired. 47of74 Nov 2013 #168

I agree. kcr Nov 2013 #172

The fact that no one called the police for "approximately two hours," not even other customers, AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #173

Well of course you do kcr Nov 2013 #179

Aren't most act of civil disobedience or public demonstrations Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #233

I saw that 47of74 Nov 2013 #165

But there could be a reason they didn't call 911 even though they wanted to kcr Nov 2013 #198

I would have been on the horn, trust me. WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2013 #170

So I guess none of the women had a cell phone ..... oldhippie Nov 2013 #188

You've never been in a store where you couldn't get cell phone coverage? kcr Nov 2013 #189

Uh, no, I haven't. oldhippie Nov 2013 #192

I think it's a bigger stretch to claim they didn't want to call 911 kcr Nov 2013 #193

Then why didn't one of the women call 911? oldhippie Nov 2013 #197

The manager didn't want 911 called, fearing it would make matters worse. kcr Nov 2013 #199

And so then the women said, "OK" ....... oldhippie Nov 2013 #200

So, their fault kcr Nov 2013 #201

Nope, I am not trying to assign fault, .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #205

And it's just so hard to ascertain the circumstances kcr Nov 2013 #210

And what were the circumstances that ....... oldhippie Nov 2013 #212

Oh, I get it. Given that kcr Nov 2013 #246

clearly, you're the type of "hippie" who supports 40 knuckledraggers with guns trying to intimidate dionysus Nov 2013 #218

Since you are so smart .... oldhippie Nov 2013 #224

"Your preciouses"? Packerowner740 Nov 2013 #234

Way to go mouth breathing geniuses. You settled the argument right there. lpbk2713 Nov 2013 #65

A message for gun-toting idiots... TRoN33 Nov 2013 #69

"The group moved to a nearby Hooters...." Deep13 Nov 2013 #81

Who would have thought 'gun enthusiasts" would be so terrified ... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #93

They're whole perspective is fear of the other. nt Deep13 Nov 2013 #141

meh. I'd have walked over and talked to them. alphafemale Nov 2013 #95

I saw that on another site (America Blog) sakabatou Nov 2013 #98

40 chickenshit rat bastards too scared to debate 4 women JEB Nov 2013 #102

Gollums nonpareil Nov 2013 #105

These brownshirt tactics are being used in several states, harrassing people in public meetings. freshwest Nov 2013 #111

Im guessing these are those wonderful, 'responsible' gun owners I keep hearing so much about. KG Nov 2013 #115

they are all responsible gun owners ... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #127

THIS is what comes of the NRA's stranglehold on debate. annabanana Nov 2013 #116

Reminds me of photos taken in the middle east. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2013 #117

I felt and was a lot safer in Turkey 47of74 Nov 2013 #155

Wow What a bunch of really big men LOL Pakid Nov 2013 #119

If they'd been black SwankyXomb Nov 2013 #366

Taliban wannabes Snake Plissken Nov 2013 #126

The whole open carry thing needs to be outlawed. These people show they can't be trusted on point Nov 2013 #131

Hmm... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #132

I bet everyone here we can't make AnotherMacintosh write MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #133

You win. Of course, there will be those who will claim to believe that criminal actiity has taken AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #139

That counts. MyNameGoesHere Nov 2013 #211

I've seen open carry demonstrations before. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2013 #136

Also notice that they are all White. I'm not Black, but I suspect that the KKK would like to disarm AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #146

Is this the newest incarnation of Godwin's law? (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #264

They are nothing more than Gun Terrorist. No different than the Taliban. nt Fla Dem Nov 2013 #140

Fucking assholes. nt City Lights Nov 2013 #145

fucking gun nut asswipes! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #160

Just your typical law-abiding, responsible bunch of gun wackos. 99Forever Nov 2013 #167

If it were 40 armed Black men gathered outside a meeting of the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #171

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2013 #243

+1000 gollygee Nov 2013 #329

Pathetic pieces of shit Politicalboi Nov 2013 #176

So, out of this group of assholes, locdlib Nov 2013 #178

dumbshit in the red shirt probably learned that cool pose playing medal of honor frylock Nov 2013 #180

He knows he's doomed. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #302

The right of the people to peacefully assemble SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED perdita9 Nov 2013 #181

Domestic terrorism, pure and simple. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #182

looks like something heaven05 Nov 2013 #184

I'm sorry. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #185

gun humpers are cowards Skittles Nov 2013 #263

So if they are against the Mothers against gun violence PumpkinAle Nov 2013 #190

their assumed posture certainly implies that etherealtruth Nov 2013 #228

For the gun krazy, it's all about free speech...Right? SoapBox Nov 2013 #206

They would have taken out half their own. LOL appleannie1 Nov 2013 #207

Hiding from Mommy! dem in texas Nov 2013 #208

A small handful of women? Let's bring 10x as many people with GUNZ! bobclark86 Nov 2013 #209

Some seriously bad wiring in the amiglydae Mopar151 Nov 2013 #378

I think an adjustment on bobclark86 Nov 2013 #450

I think the manager of the Blue Mesa Grill needs a good talking to. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #214

Maybe a Yelp-bombing SwankyXomb Nov 2013 #368

assholes, one and ALL. spanone Nov 2013 #215

IMO, the restaurant manager is a coward for not calling 911 red dog 1 Nov 2013 #217

These fools make responsible gun owners look horrible. Thanks, assholes. nt KAESNO2 Nov 2013 #219

All gun owners are irresponsible thugs. bowens43 Nov 2013 #222

Including pro-gun Dems? hack89 Nov 2013 #229

They, of course, are not the only experienced ones: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #238

Just imagine the public reaction in Dallas ThoughtCriminal Nov 2013 #249

There would have been a SWAT team dispatched mwrguy Nov 2013 #256

Wouldn't it be fun to take an inert Claymore Mine....... rdharma Nov 2013 #253

Several things come to mind 2naSalit Nov 2013 #257

Just think if those guys were black. hollowdweller Nov 2013 #258

I can't argue with that 2naSalit Nov 2013 #259

Send in Sonoma County sheriff's deputy Erick Gelhaus NBachers Nov 2013 #260

Hooters? CuriousAboutPolls Nov 2013 #261

They look like a gang of Nazi Skin Heads! Where's the police? B Calm Nov 2013 #262

Know what that picture reminds me of? UncleYoder Nov 2013 #265

The NRA has created a monster and doesn't know it KrazyinKS Nov 2013 #267

NRA doesn't care. They're trying to find out who those guys are to send them MillennialDem Nov 2013 #287

Open Carry Demonstrations: God's Gift To Gun Control Advocates. Paladin Nov 2013 #268

re:40 Armed Gun Advocates Intimidate Mothers Against Gun Violence In A Restaurant Parking Lot allan01 Nov 2013 #270

Don't try that in Canada ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #271

Looks like a hostage situtation. Can't help but wonder what the sinkingfeeling Nov 2013 #272

here's their website warrior1 Nov 2013 #274

Looks like a fucking siege! KansDem Nov 2013 #282

Gun nut douchebaggery jpak Nov 2013 #284

Looks like the perfect drone hit. AAO Nov 2013 #286

100% JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #290

How is this not terrorism? These "responsible gun owner" cowards are disgusting. n/t myrna minx Nov 2013 #303

Easy ajk2821 Nov 2013 #307

LaPierre is right… world wide wally Nov 2013 #325

Why would anyone find these clowns leftynyc Nov 2013 #330

And people wonder why I consciously avoid gun owners when and where possible... LanternWaste Nov 2013 #332

Maybe these guys were really at the mall for the Special Prosciuto Nov 2013 #334

Looks like El Shaman Nov 2013 #344

Juanita Jean thinks that this is the wee winkie parade Gothmog Nov 2013 #356

Did the HAVE TO go to a Hooters? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #360

That doesn't look like a "well-regulated militia." JEFF9K Nov 2013 #376

If we ever had the balls/ovaries to call them out on this. They're entire second amendment would AAO Nov 2013 #401

People like this thefool_wa Nov 2013 #417

Calling the restaurant a "Dallas-area" establishment is just plain wrong derby378 Nov 2013 #426

"The group moved to a nearby Hooters after approximately two hours." 0rganism Nov 2013 #436

No different from when the KKK use to intimidate African-Americans at civil rights rallies kidgie Nov 2013 #438

Not to be a reverse racist (I'm white), but notice the gender and the race of Nanjing to Seoul Nov 2013 #452

It won't be long before one of these "open carry" idiots go west young man Nov 2013 #455

Why didn't any of them call the police? Taitertots Nov 2013 #456

Update - USA Today - Police Were Called, But Did Nothing TomCADem Nov 2013 #457

Police didn't do anything because OCT wasn't doing anything illegal, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #464

Intentionally or knowingly putting another person in fear of imminent bodily injury... TomCADem Nov 2013 #466

Take it up with the TX cops and the legislature, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #467

The Texas legislature has spoken: TomCADem Nov 2013 #468

Tne police disagree with you on what is considered disorderly conduct. Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #469

You're celebrating ineffective policing. How nice. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #490

What is it with these people? The only way they have courage is when openly displaying firearms rustydog Nov 2013 #463

Who are the thugs with the guns? Looks kinda like Afghanistan. Beards and all. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #465

They are the billh58 Nov 2013 #487

Time to remove their gun privilege for brandishing and threatening others on point Nov 2013 #491

FYI it's a civil right, not a privilege friendly_iconoclast Nov 2013 #498

Brandishing and threatening others is a disqualification they should be in jail on point Nov 2013 #499

"Sounds like you might need to join them." For abusing my "speech privilege"? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2013 #502

4 mothers sitting in a restaurant talking about gun control caused Rex Nov 2013 #507

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