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Diclotican

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54. DFW
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 05:49 PM
Nov 2013

DFW

It have been written tonnes of documents about what happened around the 0th november 1989 in East Germany - many experts, historians about the cold war - and of the end of that war - have in the two decades after the berlin wall tried and failed again and again to tell about why the people in eastern Berlin decided it was time to do it, as they did tearing down the Berlin wall and in a way unite the two german states again. But somehow I do believe for whatever great books they have written, have not been able to explain for us, why it happened.. They have been able to explain the "system" behind it all - but not WHY east germans, who for more than 40 year had been disciplined by an rather authorian regime - and who also had the fear of the STASI to make them think twice about doing anything to harm the STATE...

My personal opinion about it, after been reading more or less reputable books of the subjects - is that most eastern germans just got tired about the harassment they had experienced by the police and to a degree also the para-military police forces in eastern germany - in 1989, I believe the east german people lost their fear of the STASI, once and for all - it was also clear that the 100.000 soviet soldier who was standing on East German ground, as part of the cold war - and also as a warning to the east german State, about making any moves the russians was not willing to accept. Had their orders - to NOT interfering with east german internal affairs - as long as the eastern german people was not interfering or attacking russian soldiers or officers and offices.. And the east germans was not harming the russians at all - in fact for the most part they acted against the STATE of Eastern Germany - not against the russians - after all, germans had some experience with melding with russians.... And had no interest in involving them into something that was internal for eastern germany..
After the cold war ended, it come out that the government of east germany asked the Soviet army stationed in East Germany to help them quell the civil obedience - but was told by the soviet commander itself - that had his orders - and that was to not interfere with something that was not in their interest to interfering with - and also that they was welcome to call Kremlin - but was given more or less the same answer there.. As long as the eastern germany people was not trying to attack the russian forces - no help was given..

And by the end of 9th of November - East Germany kind of imploded on itself - not in a "Nuclear" form, but rather with a "wimp" as the people was just walking true the checkpoints - and tearing the dam wall down themself... It was no need for a war to tear down that wall after all - just Peopole who got tired about repression, and wanted to be free..

That is maybe something to learn from the past - even in the US - that if you really want to be free - you have to do it yourself - not letting "others" do it for you...

And even then - it was not until later, most east germans got the news - about the wall and the final days of the cold war - remember the information was controlled by the STATE in Eastern germany even after the fall of the wall - and it took days for people inside DDR to really got to know what have happened in Berlin that evening... This was before internet - and 24/7 newschannels...

But I do remember the optimism - and the belief that the eastern part of europe could be a part of a unified europe in no time.. The enormous differences between the eastern part of europe - and the western part of europe was less known than it have been since - and the terrible civil war in Yugoslavia was still not known... In a few years it was believed that the last part of the cold war could just disappear - now 24 years later - the ghost of the cold war - and even the end of WW2 is still very well part of our history - and the ghost from that age - is still in the background, in the shadows in many part of our continent... Europe is still very well in the Shadow of our own history..

Diclotican

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That must have been quite a moment. mgc1961 Nov 2013 #1
What a great post. I love posts where I learn something cali Nov 2013 #2
That is an awesome post. I remember that time and seeing what was going on from Colorado and could gtar100 Nov 2013 #3
Great post! rosesaylavee Nov 2013 #4
how cool! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #57
Great post KurtNYC Nov 2013 #5
Thank you for that account at history Martin Eden Nov 2013 #6
Thank you so much for the first hand account UtahLib Nov 2013 #7
We have to wade through so much bad news, here, on a daily basis, but... Ferretherder Nov 2013 #8
I was there shortly after they opened the wall AndrewRN Nov 2013 #9
Standing in lines DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #13
I remember that day well and how happy I wilsonbooks Nov 2013 #10
At that time George H. W. Bush managed to sell another enemy to the American people cpwm17 Nov 2013 #55
Quite well I remember it DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #11
The time before everyone sobered up was like floating on air DFW Nov 2013 #12
"Ostalgie" DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #14
Yes, we've heard this often enough. DFW Nov 2013 #18
Er nicht beklagen "Beßerweßis?" DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #33
Nein, er beklägt keine Besserwessies DFW Nov 2013 #35
My friend has relatives who are elderly now, and who got stuck behind the wall. MADem Nov 2013 #41
As long as you don't hear "Arschloch" DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #52
Hee hee! nt MADem Nov 2013 #53
I took a bus tour of the wall when I was in the Army... Blanks Nov 2013 #15
Not to nitpick, but it was 24 years ago. truebluegreen Nov 2013 #16
You are so right DFW Nov 2013 #19
Yes, momentous in more ways than one. sulphurdunn Nov 2013 #17
Yep, from one extreme to another, mountain grammy Nov 2013 #20
Nice post, thank you. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #21
Imagine there is no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky libdem4life Nov 2013 #22
The Man Who Opened the Berlin Wall: trof Nov 2013 #23
Here's link to my OP back in April. Interesting story. trof Nov 2013 #24
Our own Berlin Wall is crumbling: the GOP. randome Nov 2013 #25
These events are like a dam that has stood for a century DFW Nov 2013 #26
Nicely put. randome Nov 2013 #30
That's right gopiscrap Nov 2013 #27
I remember the picture of the guard on the wall TrogL Nov 2013 #28
I remember in the 70s and there were border checkpoints with guards with machine guns.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #29
I remember almost getting shot at a checkpoint in Lubec in 1967 PeoViejo Nov 2013 #31
I remember it well. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #32
The hotel probably had CNN, but we watched it on ARD DFW Nov 2013 #34
I remember staying up all night on CNN headline News Hissyspit Nov 2013 #36
We didn't get a lot of sleep that night either. DFW Nov 2013 #42
I was pregnant with my first child, then. OldEurope Nov 2013 #47
I remember, as a teen, watching the evening news as the wall went up. GreenStormCloud Nov 2013 #37
I was in Berlin when the wall fell. It was an amazing experience. n/t FourScore Nov 2013 #38
In Berlin, the air must have been like it was full of static electricity DFW Nov 2013 #62
Even from California, it was staggering. I was 13 when they built the Wall... Hekate Nov 2013 #39
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #40
K & R dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #43
Very few of us get to experience a "you were there" moment of history like that DFW Nov 2013 #44
Thanks for writing this. MadrasT Nov 2013 #45
I traveled to Leipzig a few weeks after reunification DFW Nov 2013 #64
DFW Diclotican Nov 2013 #46
To put a variation of Obama famous phrase DFW Nov 2013 #48
DFW Diclotican Nov 2013 #54
wonder what would happen if mexico pulled down "their side" of that fence? Sunlei Nov 2013 #49
Germany was a special kind of situation that history has rarely duplicated DFW Nov 2013 #50
very interesting story about the breakfast, so many people died in try to cross that border Sunlei Nov 2013 #51
The Cold War leanforward Nov 2013 #56
I arrived in Germany, my first duty station, 2 days after the Wall came down. Aristus Nov 2013 #58
I can't even begin to imagine what that was like RFKHumphreyObama Nov 2013 #59
When it happened I couldn't believe it. Javaman Nov 2013 #60
Remember the phrase "Peace dividend"? It was a comedy, of sorts. nt Romulox Nov 2013 #61
I was teaching college at the time, and Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2013 #63
Even in the western German leftist student press, the wall was blasted DFW Nov 2013 #66
"Mr. Gorbachev. tear down this wall!" hfojvt Nov 2013 #65
Bonn was always a sleepy, pretty college town on the Rhein. DFW Nov 2013 #67
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