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Spider Jerusalem

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118. Sorry, but the opposition to science and logic is all on the side of the conspiracists.

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 07:36 PM

Nov 2013

Who are apparently unaware of, or choose to ignore, the fact a Dr John Lattimer conducted tests with a similar rifle and ammunition from the exact same lot of Western Cartridge Company 6.5mm as was in Oswald's rifle; test bullets were fired through a human skull, packed with gelatin to simulate brain tissue; the bullet? it didn't remain intact, the copper jacket and lead core separated. Exactly as was observed in the bullet that struck Kennedy in the head. And also test-fired another bullet, replicating the hypothesised single bullet trajectory, and, guess what? That bullet exhibited the same relatively minimal deformation as the bllet recovered from Connally's stretcher at Parkland. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/Lattimer.txt

"Should we try to get an explanation"? Simple physics, loss of velocity on transiting soft tissues. The science is all on the side of Oswald as the sole assassin.

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After 50 years, sometimes it's time to just leave it alone. [View all] MineralMan Nov 2013 OP

Paleontology is pointless, as is archaeology. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #1

Rather a different thing, I believe. MineralMan Nov 2013 #2

Very much a different thing. nt enlightenment Nov 2013 #3

In some ways. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #102

And history. We should dispense with history of course. anneboleyn Nov 2013 #65

As in all history, JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #4

Ah, but the facts become more and more difficult to ascertain MineralMan Nov 2013 #13

That is plain wrong RobertEarl Nov 2013 #49

wrong grasswire Nov 2013 #60

Some are. Many are not. pangaia Nov 2013 #81

Yeah, you are so losing this argument. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #103

Really? It's not really a win or lose thing. MineralMan Nov 2013 #104

Your opinion is an argument. Hissyspit Nov 2013 #110

me too gopiscrap Nov 2013 #57

Wasn't alive in 63 but moparlunatic Nov 2013 #5

No, I meant Lincoln. People are still arguing about his assassination. MineralMan Nov 2013 #12

Call me confused Ava Gadro Nov 2013 #108

Lincoln and JFK were both assassinated. MineralMan Nov 2013 #112

OIC. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Ava Gadro Nov 2013 #114

I don't know that I would agree with that? kentuck Nov 2013 #6

Uh, plenty of people knew. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #16

i'm not a conspiracty theorist, DesertFlower Nov 2013 #39

I fully agree gopiscrap Nov 2013 #58

Selling conspiracy theories is big busine$$. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #7

+1 BootinUp Nov 2013 #11

Indeed. We seem to want it to be more that what it probably was. MineralMan Nov 2013 #14

When everything associated with the tragedy is declassified, I would agree with you. MADem Nov 2013 #8

Why was it classified in the first place? RC Nov 2013 #109

Sources and methods, most likely. That said, those sources are long gone now, and those methods MADem Nov 2013 #113

If there is something to actually be learned, I think it is important to dig. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #9

The "facts" grow dimmer and dimmer. MineralMan Nov 2013 #15

But facts can always come to light. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #21

I doubt that any new facts remain to come to light. MineralMan Nov 2013 #24

Just keep in mind... Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #29

I don't think that quotation applies, actually. MineralMan Nov 2013 #33

It does. History has been written and re-written many times as new things come to light. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #34

And without the fact, crazy CT's are presented by those that wish the facts to remain hidden. RC Nov 2013 #111

Agreed. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #10

Thank you, sir! MineralMan Nov 2013 #17

Agreed x 2. n/t MicaelS Nov 2013 #18

And I agree, too. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #86

It's old news. Just move along. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #19

Not really news at all, I think. MineralMan Nov 2013 #20

In 1633, there are those who wanted others to join them in not looking through Galieleo's telescope. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #36

Interesting point...but BootinUp Nov 2013 #76

A small minority of Oswald-acted-alone theorists oppose a consideration of science and logic. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #89

For those that are interested in scientific reasoning on the two topics raised above BootinUp Nov 2013 #92

Ah, a diversion. To talk about the single-bullet theory which I did not raise. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2013 #93

Oh? BootinUp Nov 2013 #100

Sorry, but the opposition to science and logic is all on the side of the conspiracists. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #118

With time comes perspective, thus greater understanding of history. 1000words Nov 2013 #22

Are there conspiracy theories about Kristallnacht. MineralMan Nov 2013 #25

Your OP says nothing about conspiracies. 1000words Nov 2013 #27

Wow. You've taken apples and kumquats to an entirely new level. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #63

My ESL student, an engineer from Mexico, asked me about the Kennedy assassination today... CTyankee Nov 2013 #23

Hallucinations. I like that. MineralMan Nov 2013 #26

That's what I thought, too, but I didn't get into the sarcasm angle... CTyankee Nov 2013 #31

If the Feds declassify everything they have about it NuclearDem Nov 2013 #28

Bingo! 1000words Nov 2013 #32

A whole lot has been declassified and released. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #50

No you won't... brooklynite Nov 2013 #67

Yes, I would. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #91

Nope,, it was the beginning of where we are today, orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #30

A guy's gotta appreciate your avatar. MineralMan Nov 2013 #35

Thanks, MineralMan orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #42

I thought it was going to be about the Cuba Embargo mitchtv Nov 2013 #37

Go ahead, leave it alone. Blue_In_AK Nov 2013 #38

No. ljm2002 Nov 2013 #40

So if someone were able to prove without a doubt there was a second shooter (or more) meadowlark5 Nov 2013 #41

second shooter theory PADemD Nov 2013 #43

I'm not criticizing anything meadowlark5 Nov 2013 #44

seond shooter theory PADemD Nov 2013 #46

That's the day our country was hijacked by right wing radicals. Initech Nov 2013 #45

The truth is Oswald did it and ZERO evidence exists to dispute that or prove a conspiracy. Move on. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #53

I take it you've not really read much on the topic, including the news of the second commission. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #62

I've read plenty, and there is no credible nor solid evidence anywhere to prove a conspiracy. ALL RBInMaine Nov 2013 #69

So Oswald being the lone shooter proves no conspiracy ? RagAss Nov 2013 #83

The moving hand writes, and having writ moves on. randome Nov 2013 #47

I'll never get why discussing this stuff bothers some people so much they want to shut it down... Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #48

Many people cannot handle the truth. roamer65 Nov 2013 #95

Considering that my opinion is that TPTB sit every sitting President down tavalon Nov 2013 #51

I don't think you are that far from the mark. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #88

I agree with you there. nt raccoon Nov 2013 #90

It was JFK, unless you mean they are still arguing about Lincoln too. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #52

No it's not! El Supremo Nov 2013 #54

Perfect! MineralMan Nov 2013 #71

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The truth shall set you free. wundermaus Nov 2013 #79

The truth matters no matter the time interval. Coyotl Nov 2013 #80

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I admit that I was nothing more than a glint in my father's eye in 1963.. HipChick Nov 2013 #85

For me, it just doesn't matter. He's died and the consequences ensued. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #87

After 50 years it's high time hootinholler Nov 2013 #96

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