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boston bean

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123. Abortions occur when there is a pregnancy, not before.

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 08:34 AM

Nov 2013

Unwanted pregnancies happen for all sort of reasons and women choose to have abortions for all sorts of reason.

There is no way possible the need for it can be made "rare". Most women are practicing contraception prior to becoming pregnant. Rare means hardly ever needed. Why the qualifier?

This rare framing allows people who find it morally objectionable to find a way to feel comfortable with a woman having choice.

It's traumatic on the woman, they should have been using contraception..... it's this it's that. Mostly, people putting their own personal judgments on other women. This.does.not.help.

It's a medical procedure that women deserve access to any god damn time they want (within the existing laws) for whatever reason they choose.

I just say none of nobodies danged business and leave it at that. People really need to keep their nose out of this.

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A linguistic trick of affirming the right to abortion while simultaneously devaluing it. [View all] PeaceNikki Nov 2013 OP

k and r--thank you for posting niyad Nov 2013 #1

I had to explain why that phrase pisses me off so badly. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #2

Well it was rare enough in your family to allow you to be alive. That's good hooverville29 Nov 2013 #34

ridiculous. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #36

Which response merely means you don't have an answer hooverville29 Nov 2013 #37

answer? to what? you didn't ask a fucking question. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #43

Yes. That's a fucking ridiculous point. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #45

You're dodging around again. You're glad you're alive, right? hooverville29 Nov 2013 #48

Making the dumb Reagan "I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born" PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #49

:) Is that inaccurate? hooverville29 Nov 2013 #50

It's ridiculous. Just like Reagan. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #51

Oh for fuck's sake this argument is LUDICROUS. MadrasT Nov 2013 #81

PPR'd as an anti-choice troll gollygee Nov 2013 #96

Thank you, Skinner! Zorra Nov 2013 #99

Whoops. In wrong place. HERVEPA Nov 2013 #57

Hmmm. Exact same thing I hear from the antis while escorting at Planned Parenthood HERVEPA Nov 2013 #59

That's right, and... Oilwellian Nov 2013 #61

I use the phase all the time. chemp Nov 2013 #78

to quote LeftyMom from another thread... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #79

You are wrong Gman Nov 2013 #3

It's a MEDICAL issue not a social issue. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #4

Of course it's medical Gman Nov 2013 #7

Also, your reply doesn't prove me "wrong" it only states it's ok, because... independents? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #6

Good stuff - K&R - nt Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #5

Let's make poverty and all the many other inequities rare first. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #8

That's not how most people see it. Not even most DUers. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #9

Which is why I feel the need to explain how and why it's harmful. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #10

Argument ad populum, but you don't care. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #12

These are the popular beliefs because they've been pushed on us. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #13

So unlike you, 80% of DUers are unable to think for themselves, Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #16

This isn't about Clinton or specific politicians. It's about the general conversation of PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #17

Thanks Hillary. For pandering. Yeah we should just all have that baby and give it up for adoption. WCLinolVir Nov 2013 #40

Abortion is a medical issue, and should be no more controversial than any other medical issue... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #11

Sure it should. Costly and more physically traumatic procedures should be less frequent scheming daemons Nov 2013 #25

A full-term pregnancy and childbirth are both more likely to cause complications than an abortion. Laffy Kat Nov 2013 #80

Thanks for making this point. OnionPatch Nov 2013 #121

K&R&Thank you. Egalitarian Thug Nov 2013 #14

"Saying it should be "rare" indicates - clearly - that it is happening more than it should be" Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #15

How far could the US reduce the number of abortions and would that meet the threshold for "rare"? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #18

You ask the wrong question. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #33

Well the opposite of rare is common. zeemike Nov 2013 #19

Maybe they should not run on a platform about abortion. WCLinolVir Nov 2013 #47

Well that would be great if we set the agenda. zeemike Nov 2013 #54

i want effective and available birth control to make it rare scheming daemons Nov 2013 #20

How far could the US reduce the number of abortions and would that meet the threshold for "rare"? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #21

I want all medical procedures as rare as possible scheming daemons Nov 2013 #24

Do you not see, even a little, how using the "rare" language can be harmful? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #35

If I said I want mastectomies safe and rare, that wouldn't be controversial scheming daemons Nov 2013 #38

i. get. that. But you don't say that. And legislators are not trying to defund Oncology Depts. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #41

Right wingers are wrong and should be defeated on this. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #44

how about... not 'rare'? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #46

+100 dionysus Nov 2013 #91

Birth control is a medical procedure. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #74

birth control is preventative medicine scheming daemons Nov 2013 #75

um uh I'm sure you find that to be a distinction, but it is one without a difference. Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #83

exact opposite. access to morning after pills should be free scheming daemons Nov 2013 #106

Why? They are abortifacients, shouldn't they be rare too? Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #108

Response scheming daemons Nov 2013 #109

Abortions are "physically traumatic" and "prohibitively expensive". Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #119

youre wrong scheming daemons Nov 2013 #120

Look, I can't speak for the person you responded to, but I can to the OP. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #122

Abortions occur when there is a pregnancy, not before. boston bean Nov 2013 #123

Why? Do you think there is something wrong with having an abortion? Warren Stupidity Nov 2013 #73

K&R Solly Mack Nov 2013 #22

k&r Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #23

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #26

ok.... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #27

aren't you heartbroken? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #30

Understandable. REP Nov 2013 #31

Post stalk much? That was from September? Agschmid Nov 2013 #112

I wish abortion was rare passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #28

and everyone knows this. this spate of excuses as to why this is not shaming women La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2013 #29

And so many people don't even realize they're doing it. Undermining a cause they purportedly support nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #32

Exactly. That's why I discuss with liberals who say this whenever I can. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #42

Well, the opposite of rare is frequent. kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #52

I think the division comes in using the term. boston bean Nov 2013 #56

Oh, that's bullshit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #58

+1 Oilwellian Nov 2013 #65

I agree with you passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #71

The opposite of rare is not rare, or common. Not "frequent". uppityperson Nov 2013 #101

You know what I am noticing in this thread and mine. boston bean Nov 2013 #53

Agreed. It's patronizing, "I'll let it slide" bullshit. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #55

And they use the "rare" talking point which confuses people. boston bean Nov 2013 #60

You said passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #72

I adamantly disagree Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #62

None of that has to do with what should be un prohibited access to abortion if one boston bean Nov 2013 #66

I would never use the term safe, legal and rare Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #70

Like BB stated- it's the framing of the discussion that's the problem. Words mean things. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #68

I simply don't agree. 99Forever Nov 2013 #63

fanfuckingtastic PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #64

Makes us precisely even. 99Forever Nov 2013 #67

You seem to have a problem with one who is voicing an opinion. boston bean Nov 2013 #69

always thought the rare thing was bs and just one reason why i trust hilary as far as i can throw dembotoz Nov 2013 #76

Increasing access to sexual protection against unwanted pregnancy and STD's is the key alphafemale Nov 2013 #77

I am in complete agreement. MadrasT Nov 2013 #82

Of course it should be rare. thesquanderer Nov 2013 #84

I honestly understand the thesis, however I can't get past the fact that that is a phrase I associat arely staircase Nov 2013 #85

I am against abortion for myself. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #86

Recommend. nt Zorra Nov 2013 #87

Insistence on trying to make others convert to your extreme view is an hallmark of an ideologue. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #88

Extreme? The Democratic National Party stopped using it PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #89

i don't know about that. abortion is a serious surgery and can be dangerous. if readily available dionysus Nov 2013 #90

you missed the point PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #92

i didn't miss the point. we just interpret the phase differently, i suppose. dionysus Nov 2013 #93

I encourage you to open your mind and see the ways it can be harmful is all PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #94

i have no reason to quarrel! dionysus Nov 2013 #95

Abortion is not "serious surgery" it's a very safe minor outpatient procedure. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #111

I don't see why having a pro-choice stance necessarily entails... D23MIURG23 Nov 2013 #97

First, abortion is not bad. Anymore than cardiac bypass is "bad". PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #98

I'm not "soft pro-choice" at all. D23MIURG23 Nov 2013 #107

k&r with thanks for continuing to work to keep the right to a legal medical abortion accessible. uppityperson Nov 2013 #100

In conclusion: back off with the 'soft support'. If you don't fully support abortion rights, STFU. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #102

Thanks for this OP, PeaceNikki. It shows how DU has changed, Pathwalker Nov 2013 #103

Thank you for your support. It's been... eyeopening. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #104

Great OP, I totally agree with the premise the author is writing about. Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #105

thank you for getting it PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #110

I disagree that this is "devaluing" the right. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113

the national party platform was updated to remove the stigma. sad that DU is lagging so far behind. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #114

No. "Rare" means that we should have a society that encourages preventing unplanned pregnancies. phleshdef Nov 2013 #115

so... you want unwanted pregnancies to be rare? hey, me, too!! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #116

I really have no idea where you are coming from. phleshdef Nov 2013 #117

Wisconsin. You? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #118

100% agree. Ineeda Nov 2013 #124

With my trusty calculator... Lars39 Nov 2013 #125

When the clintons called for safe, legal and rare abortions applegrove Nov 2013 #126

sigh. really? a gop tactic? "this kick"? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #127