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badtoworse

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69. My opinion is very different from the religious right

Thu Mar 8, 2012, 04:13 PM

Mar 2012

They are opposed to artifical means of contraception as a moral issue regardless of who pays for it. I have no problem with contraception - my wife and I did not want to have children, so she took the pill for many years. I didn't think the government should have paid for it under those circumstances and I haven't changed my opinion.

You're basically saying don't cut my issues; just raise taxes if there isn't enough money to fund other priorities. The real world doesn't work that way - governments have to deal with political reality. Tax increases are not going to happen in the current economy and political environment. You can pretend it's an option if you want to kid yourself, but state legislators and governors don't have that luxury.

We're not going to agree about this one, but it was nice discussing it with you.

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Do NOT tell me there is no war on women after reading this... [View all] cynatnite Mar 2012 OP

The state giveth the state taketh away... dkf Mar 2012 #1

Your perpetual stance against government funding kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #9

I came to the realization over this birth control pill debate. dkf Mar 2012 #14

maybe the fact that women have rights iverglas Mar 2012 #66

If this is a right shouldn't it be free? dkf Mar 2012 #84

you're really and truly saying that? iverglas Mar 2012 #89

No more temporary than anything else. fasttense Mar 2012 #28

Personally I only see more of this coming. dkf Mar 2012 #40

The more the government is involved in healthcare, the more it can control costs muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #45

Then why is the cost of Medicare growing so fast? dkf Mar 2012 #87

Per capita growth is far slower than commercial US healthcare costs muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #92

"As long as they don't touch Medicare" 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #85

Look at the projected budget. It's pretty obvious. dkf Mar 2012 #88

And the biggest picture of all...... tpsbmam Mar 2012 #96

This is so short-sighted. Most states need to cover vaccinations for low-income children shcrane71 Mar 2012 #2

Thank you...I was so angry, I just sat here BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #6

China's economy has JUST surpassed Germany's union-ladened productivity. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #12

They'll expect nurses to volunteer their time Ilsa Mar 2012 #33

It's called ..... Tennessee Gal Mar 2012 #86

This is the conservatives method for assuring there's a future snappyturtle Mar 2012 #3

George Carlin: "Republicans want live babies... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #4

Bingo! nt snappyturtle Mar 2012 #5

+ 1 TBF Mar 2012 #8

I HAD to go to Youtube and listen to GC again: snappyturtle Mar 2012 #11

period. dana_b Mar 2012 #62

Once again George was right on the money! Initech Mar 2012 #77

The more people there are, the less they are valued siligut Mar 2012 #7

yet women continue to vote for repugs. n/t. okieinpain Mar 2012 #10

Stockholm Syndrome. intheflow Mar 2012 #17

I know!!!! hamsterjill Mar 2012 #43

Now, now, the "war on women" is just a feminist fantasy. BlueIris Mar 2012 #13

I call you, and raise you to a "feminazi fantasy," cuz I think it's more accurate to the POV your Lionessa Mar 2012 #25

What would you cut? badtoworse Mar 2012 #15

Yes, raise taxes on the wealthy... cynatnite Mar 2012 #16

Raising taxes isn't going to happen in this political environment badtoworse Mar 2012 #18

Even in the best of political environments, the repubs would still refuse... cynatnite Mar 2012 #19

Subsidized birth control is a right? badtoworse Mar 2012 #20

Since always since the government has provided contraceptives to women for years... cynatnite Mar 2012 #21

It comes down to priorities and how much money is available. badtoworse Mar 2012 #22

Why do you call it "subsidized birth control"? cynatnite Mar 2012 #23

regarding your contributions to this thread: chknltl Mar 2012 #27

+2! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2012 #31

Subsidized means someone else is paying for at least part of it. badtoworse Mar 2012 #35

You are so completely wrong and off base cynatnite Mar 2012 #41

Unbelievable. And on a Democratic board, no less. HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #46

"someone else is paying" Sparkly Mar 2012 #93

rw talking point: birth control is a "choice" noiretextatique Mar 2012 #68

What are you talking about? badtoworse Mar 2012 #82

DUH...viagra noiretextatique Mar 2012 #90

The state shouldn't be paying for that either badtoworse Mar 2012 #95

How much money is available? fasttense Mar 2012 #29

less access to birth control = more pregnacies = more state assistance Bradical79 Mar 2012 #38

It's the alternative to subsidized child care. The third choice is an underclass outside society saras Mar 2012 #24

stop with the rw talking points noiretextatique Mar 2012 #67

I don't disagree. Reread what I posted. badtoworse Mar 2012 #80

The political environment isn't going to change unless you openly challenge its assumptions JHB Mar 2012 #32

end the wars roody Mar 2012 #36

Women make up over 50% of the population, and cutting birth control will cost the state money Bradical79 Mar 2012 #37

OK, so what would you cut instead? badtoworse Mar 2012 #39

This is a woman's health issue. This is our health care. Not a state issue. n/t cynatnite Mar 2012 #42

It still has to be paid for - nt badtoworse Mar 2012 #47

viagra is covered by health insurance noiretextatique Mar 2012 #70

Taxes aren't just a federal issue. And you're avoiding the point about savings. Bradical79 Mar 2012 #44

As a practical matter, tax increases at the state and local level aren't going to happen,... badtoworse Mar 2012 #49

You keep missing a major aspect of this... cynatnite Mar 2012 #50

I'm not missing that badtoworse Mar 2012 #51

Avoiding pregnancy is a health issue for many women... cynatnite Mar 2012 #52

I'm only talking about avoiding pregnancy for non-medical reasons badtoworse Mar 2012 #53

How about stopping erections? cynatnite Mar 2012 #54

Reread Post No. 22 badtoworse Mar 2012 #56

I just think you are at the wrong forum... cynatnite Mar 2012 #59

My opinion is very different from the religious right badtoworse Mar 2012 #69

ridiculous noiretextatique Mar 2012 #73

Reread the OP. It's not about health insurance badtoworse Mar 2012 #79

You need to reread the OP... cynatnite Mar 2012 #81

I reread the OP. It doesn't mention insurance badtoworse Mar 2012 #83

My health care is not an issue...it's my life... cynatnite Mar 2012 #76

So what should be paid for under a health care plan? Bradical79 Mar 2012 #61

Not sure what needs to be accepted... Bradical79 Mar 2012 #63

argument from ignorance? iverglas Mar 2012 #75

Birth control is a poverty issue. Most married women who are working class or poor take BC. haele Mar 2012 #78

The cost of contraception is MUCH less than the very services you just listed. Sparkly Mar 2012 #94

avoiding pregnancy is a health issue for *all* women iverglas Mar 2012 #72

How could it not be a health care issue? Bradical79 Mar 2012 #57

Also, I think you're mistaken about how many women take birth control for other conditions Bradical79 Mar 2012 #58

Health benefits of birth control Bradical79 Mar 2012 #60

Your opinion ohheckyeah Mar 2012 #64

Good find, didn't know that ;-) Bradical79 Mar 2012 #65

Oh, so you're cutting the social safety net too for poor families. My point still stands though. Bradical79 Mar 2012 #55

I'm sure that with all the money we're saving we can cut taxes and provide free Viagra. Saving Hawaii Mar 2012 #26

bookmark Dokkie Mar 2012 #30

In Kansas, they are risking accreditation at university hospitals proud2BlibKansan Mar 2012 #34

what do these states think they are "slashing?" treestar Mar 2012 #48

These dumb-ass men fear female sexuality tledford Mar 2012 #71

+1000000000000000000000000000 noiretextatique Mar 2012 #74

so depressed to read the article sillaG Mar 2012 #91