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sir pball

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138. *chuckles* I'm perfectly calm, I just don't like non-text replies that don't say much.

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:34 PM

Nov 2013

Sitting here browsing pictures of cats, drinking tea, and passing the time on DU.

I hadn't seen your explanatory post. That does answer my questions. Like I said, "abortion should be rare" is not a statement I actively make - but if asked whether or not I agree with it, I must say Yes, since I DO publicly espouse the position that unplanned pregnancy should be much less common, and as a consequence of that, yes, abortions should also be far less common. Just because of reduced demand, it's not supply-side economics by any means.

I don't think the majority of DUers/libs feel otherwise, even the ones that do say "abortion should be rare"; I think, watching this play out, that some people on all sides are more invested in simply fighting about it. Beats daytime TV for entertainment value.

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Abortion should NOT be rare. [View all] Texasgal Nov 2013 OP

Nobody on DU is advocating for lots of abortions, and nobody is trying to prevent access. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

Read some the threads. Texasgal Nov 2013 #4

Did you read those threads? Revanchist Nov 2013 #21

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2013 #58

+1 freshwest Nov 2013 #63

so... you want unwanted pregnancies to be rare? hey, me, too!! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #66

+1 Agschmid Nov 2013 #77

^=== This. nt IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #153

You hit the nail on the head OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #156

Abortion should be made rare by free access to birth control for all. applegrove Nov 2013 #155

It shouldn't be common CFLDem Nov 2013 #2

I think the idea being conveyed is that we should have fewer unplanned pregnancies DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #3

And if women aren't getting access to birth control Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #7

It really doesn't take a genius to wrap one's head around it, but people are being obtuse purposely NoOneMan Nov 2013 #24

If you're a right wing nut bag then was the entire Democratic party up until last year Revanchist Nov 2013 #34

nope, rare was removed in 2008 PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #37

You're right, my google-fu failed me Revanchist Nov 2013 #39

it's worded in a much better fashion. words carry weight. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #40

We are just interpreting the word differently Revanchist Nov 2013 #52

that's why party altered it. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #54

No, no we are not. Texasgal Nov 2013 #55

When did I say otherwise? Revanchist Nov 2013 #64

Yep, and since we want other invasive procedures to be more common, we should want abortion to be NoOneMan Nov 2013 #65

When abortions are extremely common it means something else is wrong Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #5

it should be common in the fact Texasgal Nov 2013 #6

Yes, nicely put. n/t Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #8

Except that "common" and "complete access to them when needed" have completely different meanings. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #11

does it? Texasgal Nov 2013 #13

Because they simply do tkmorris Nov 2013 #16

well diabetes should not be common Texasgal Nov 2013 #49

This is getting so tedious kdmorris Nov 2013 #120

Ok, you are preaching to the choir NoOneMan Nov 2013 #26

Yes you can Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #68

I don't think anyone here is arguing otherwise. pnwmom Nov 2013 #60

Do you believe that anyone wants Texasgal Nov 2013 #70

No, I don't. No one with those conditions wants them. pnwmom Nov 2013 #74

the party platform was changed to clarify. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #72

Except that's not what "common" means. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113

You're *still* confused even after all the threads Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #9

Read the threads. Texasgal Nov 2013 #15

The usual shit stirrers bullying others in some word power struggle NoOneMan Nov 2013 #28

The only shitstirring posts here are yours so far. Her body, Her choice. Deal with it. idwiyo Nov 2013 #111

I suppose the word shitstirring was ironic? mythology Nov 2013 #122

Preventing pregnancy through birth control and education is cheaper and better for women than Brickbat Nov 2013 #10

Birth control and education makes sense Texasgal Nov 2013 #12

Maybe when people say rare, they aren't talking about women in need NoOneMan Nov 2013 #20

And having lived in a country where abortion was not rare -- where the average woman had 3 by the Brickbat Nov 2013 #14

Got to ask where? Agschmid Nov 2013 #61

Russia. Brickbat Nov 2013 #121

What are people going to do when Hillary LittleBlue Nov 2013 #17

will not accept that Texasgal Nov 2013 #19

You get an abortion! You get an abortion! Everyone gets an abortion!!!!!!! NoOneMan Nov 2013 #18

Well I never said that Texasgal Nov 2013 #23

There are a whole lotta arguments based on things people never said regarding this subject NoOneMan Nov 2013 #25

I've linked to two academic papers on the topic, the national party changed the language PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #27

"you're no friend of women's rights" NoOneMan Nov 2013 #29

dismissive, combative and making really "punny" jokes. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #30

One more time, with a little more huff and we will believe you NoOneMan Nov 2013 #31

You should chill... whttevrr Nov 2013 #32

amen PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #33

After all the strawman arguments and ad hominems, the divisive painting of pro-choicers as rabid... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #36

That was a joke? whttevrr Nov 2013 #38

You don't watch Oprah much? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #42

What? whttevrr Nov 2013 #44

Ug. The car give away NoOneMan Nov 2013 #46

When you have to break it down... whttevrr Nov 2013 #47

The part that rejects the seriousness of redundant, divisive threads NoOneMan Nov 2013 #51

reduntant? Texasgal Nov 2013 #53

they're only divsive to people who can't discuss it like adults. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #59

The only one I see being divisive is you... whttevrr Nov 2013 #62

You see, this is another example NoOneMan Nov 2013 #69

Where you started is immaterial... whttevrr Nov 2013 #76

Its interesting. While you simultaneously engage in mis-characterizing me... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86

It's not an attempt, it is what it is. whttevrr Nov 2013 #99

If YOU really believe in supporting a woman's right to choose, you will let HER decide what is best idwiyo Nov 2013 #116

Your post history definitely makes it clear that you are rude and insulting idwiyo Nov 2013 #158

Can you carry a conversation without switching to profanity the moment someone disagree with you? idwiyo Nov 2013 #114

thank you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #22

You're wrong jrandom421 Nov 2013 #35

Heart meds should be available Texasgal Nov 2013 #45

that's exactly it. you don't want to expand access to a thing you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #48

It's amazing isn't it? Texasgal Nov 2013 #50

Let me explain jrandom421 Nov 2013 #157

I wish we had gender symbols... whttevrr Nov 2013 #41

I'll own up to being a male... Agschmid Nov 2013 #67

I did not know that the Democratic Platform chose to remove the word rare from the platform... whttevrr Nov 2013 #82

Yes available to all agent46 Nov 2013 #43

Of course it should be rare. pnwmom Nov 2013 #56

For a woman who wants an abortion, it should never be rare for her to be allowed to get one -- she Texasgal Nov 2013 #57

No, that was MY point. pnwmom Nov 2013 #71

I'm saying that abortions Texasgal Nov 2013 #73

Yes. And ideally preventative medicine will make many pnwmom Nov 2013 #75

But cancer is not rare Texasgal Nov 2013 #78

That's not the issue. The issue is whether it SHOULD be rare. pnwmom Nov 2013 #81

Exactly. Texasgal Nov 2013 #85

Have you seen ME anywhere say that ACCESS to abortions should be rare? pnwmom Nov 2013 #94

Please, do not get all wired up here. Texasgal Nov 2013 #97

Many medical procedures ideally should be rare. But ACCESS to them should not be. pnwmom Nov 2013 #105

Funny analogy regarding Obamacare... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #108

Yeah, I know. pnwmom Nov 2013 #112

I feel that the very implication that pro-choicers are referring to access is insulting and divisive NoOneMan Nov 2013 #101

Read the threads. Texasgal Nov 2013 #103

Which ones? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #106

Did you get a chance to find threads with DUers who want to restrict access to abortion? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #118

At least one poster openly stated they want a repeal of Roe vs Wade. idwiyo Nov 2013 #159

Well stated. And the state should ultimately seek to make a more ideal world NoOneMan Nov 2013 #89

Exactly. nt pnwmom Nov 2013 #96

yes, just like unwanted pregnancies should be rare. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #79

+10000000000 Texasgal Nov 2013 #80

That's exactly what I've been saying. pnwmom Nov 2013 #83

but the mantra "safe, legal and rare" is wrong and harmful PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #87

Why? It should be rare because hardly any women pnwmom Nov 2013 #90

Again. Texasgal Nov 2013 #92

ugh PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #93

It is. Very much so. Texasgal Nov 2013 #91

The focus on the word rare is wrong. Choosing to birth or not belongs to those who give birth, eom freshwest Nov 2013 #84

no, the USE of the word "rare" in that context is wrong. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #88

Then what's with all the talk about the word 'rare' in reference to choice? I've seen at least 3 OPs freshwest Nov 2013 #110

the general discussion is about the antiqued "safe, legal, rare" mantra. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #115

It may be a function of age. IIRC, it was Gore's saying. We knew in a liberated society, abortions freshwest Nov 2013 #119

And no Democrat/liberal etc who ever said abortions should be rare, meant it in that context. phleshdef Nov 2013 #95

It's been an unfortunate coversation on DU Texasgal Nov 2013 #100

Seems that someone, either intentionally or not... 99Forever Nov 2013 #98

Well, it's not word police Texasgal Nov 2013 #102

The fuck it isn't. 99Forever Nov 2013 #107

In two posts you've essentially captured what I've been tripping over words for NoOneMan Nov 2013 #109

It Is NOBODY'S F*N BUSINESS... Therefore It Cannot Be Deemed Common, Nor Rare... WillyT Nov 2013 #104

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #117

Heh. I love when people announce, in the thread, that they're trashing the thread. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #123

...okay. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #139

You got a dictionary? Lancero Nov 2013 #124

So - you really want unwanted pregnancies to be rare? Hey, me, too!! We should PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #125

Forgive me... Lancero Nov 2013 #126

Here you go PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #127

If sexual education and contraception programs are working, then it most certainly should be "rare". cleanhippie Nov 2013 #128

Is THIS grammatically acceptable to you: "Unplanned pregnancies should be very uncommon"? sir pball Nov 2013 #129

nope. please refer to the party platform. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #130

So you feel unplanned pregnancies should be common, sir pball Nov 2013 #131

read the platform PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #132

I agree with the damn "platform" 100%. Answer me. sir pball Nov 2013 #133

ho. lee. shit. you need to fucking relax. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #134

*chuckles* I'm perfectly calm, I just don't like non-text replies that don't say much. sir pball Nov 2013 #138

Like I said, I also don't think it's INTENTIONALLY harmful, which is why I like to engage in the PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #141

WRT "fighting for access", one can both fight for a cure and still want to reduce the disease*. sir pball Nov 2013 #146

Well, couple it with the massive sweeping restrictions on abortion. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #147

Like I said, it's not my slogan but I do agree with it when fully expressed. sir pball Nov 2013 #148

And I discuss it when expressed, even/especially when coming from a pro-choice supporter. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #149

Glad we actually worked it out sir pball Nov 2013 #150

This is starting to seem like a non-issue that can be used to treestar Nov 2013 #135

No, abortion should be rare. newcriminal Nov 2013 #136

Saying rare was all about contraceptics being available karynnj Nov 2013 #137

Abortions should be common. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #140

AH the weekly, don't teach people whistler162 Nov 2013 #142

whooooooosh PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #145

That's not what "rare" means pipi_k Nov 2013 #143

I will c&p a reply from my thread on the topic... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #144

There is a difference between rare and something to be lauded or encouraged... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #151

I do wish abortion to be rare..... Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #152

I think the real issue is that abortion never will be rare and never has been rare gollygee Nov 2013 #154

Suit yourself bluestateguy Nov 2013 #160