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66. Both FBI and CIA were uncooperative.

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:35 PM

Nov 2013

My feeling is that they were covering up incompetence and/ or assets.

By the time of the assassination, EVERYBODY was watching Oswald. FBI Agt. Hotsy was supposed to have questioned Oswald, but he wasn't home and Hotsy apparently didn't follow up or try to locate him. Oswald's acquaintence George de M apparently had some CIA contacts, if he was watching Oswald for them I don't know. But he was well aware that Oswald had radical politics, owned a gun, and was prone to violence (beating Marina and attempt to kill Gen. Walker). So if de M had reported this to CIA, and they sat on the info, it would be a major political embarrassment. Also, at the time they were still covering up all the CIA assassination attempts....they wouldn't have wanted any ties to that getting out.

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The JFK conspiracy theroy is just not allowed. [View all] INdemo Nov 2013 OP

John Kerry told that smirking idiot Tom Brokaw the truth. Octafish Nov 2013 #1

Tom Brokaw's job is to be absolutely useless as a journalist. pa28 Nov 2013 #16

CIA Instructions to Media Assets Octafish Nov 2013 #117

Anybody who begins any argument by sneering the words "conspiracy theory" BlueStreak Nov 2013 #81

HSCA investigator Gaeton Fonzi said the physical evidence indicates conspiracy... Octafish Nov 2013 #120

I was not aware of the jacket hole BlueStreak Nov 2013 #124

The hole in the jacket is supposed to be from the Magic Bullet... Octafish Nov 2013 #126

There is a controversy about that? Mass Nov 2013 #2

..and he's bad, bad, theroy brown, baddest man in the whole damned town... dionysus Nov 2013 #3

I remember that day...The shock and total heartbreak of it are seared in my memory. whathehell Nov 2013 #4

Thats pretty incredible Jesus Malverde Nov 2013 #5

I don't know about republican involvement... Blanks Nov 2013 #6

The House Committee based their conclusion of a second gunman.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #70

The general consensus in my country has consistently been Zeke L Brimstone Nov 2013 #7

Lyndon Johnson sounded better when he talked to Cronkite, Kerry wants to blame Cuba or Russia jakeXT Nov 2013 #8

the latest theory doesn't even need a conspiracy Baclava Nov 2013 #9

This theory makes complete sense! n/t zappaman Nov 2013 #10

why did nobody ever question him holding a rifle? Baclava Nov 2013 #12

Exactly! zappaman Nov 2013 #13

Wow. I've never seen this evidence before... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #137

??? - not the driver - the secret service clutz in the following car Baclava Nov 2013 #139

This... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #140

You are wrong. zappaman Nov 2013 #141

I'm not sure now... TeeYiYi Nov 2013 #142

Typical disinformation video. zappaman Nov 2013 #144

He filed a report. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #55

everyone was ducking for cover after the first shot - his boys would hide the rest Baclava Nov 2013 #91

This is the first time I've read this theory. Incitatus Nov 2013 #98

Yes, a totally implausable fantasy. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #107

or maybe the secret secret service didn't cover up all the clues Baclava Nov 2013 #131

Why Would a Secret Service Agent Pick Up a Weapon On the Road Nov 2013 #129

he was looking to shoot the shooter Baclava Nov 2013 #130

It Would Have Been Much More Suspicious On the Road Nov 2013 #136

Exactly. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #152

I watched that show on Reelz last weekend. pamela Nov 2013 #20

I've always wondered .... Myrina Nov 2013 #58

That BS is a limited hangout. For decades they have been peddling the Lee Harvey Oswald GoneFishin Nov 2013 #79

you prefer the Russian mafia theory? Baclava Nov 2013 #133

The cover-up would be a conspiracy BlueStreak Nov 2013 #82

That sounds plausible to me loyalsister Nov 2013 #95

I just love the double standard on this... Archae Nov 2013 #11

Oliver Stone re-visited "JFK" with Amy Goodman. The entire interview is found at the link. Ninga Nov 2013 #14

Oliver Stone made a lot of money... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #56

Yep: never trust the opinion of people that make decisions for ideological reasons cpwm17 Nov 2013 #38

Agree 100%. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #155

The Right Wing NEVER gets any blame for ANYTHING. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #15

Ok, John..let's have it skepticscott Nov 2013 #17

He is expressing his opinion based on what he, like billions of others across the planet, not as an sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #31

Opinions are like assholes skepticscott Nov 2013 #47

And then there are the millions, possibly billions by now, who simply do not believe the sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #69

Renaming reality "the official story" is transparent propaganda cpwm17 Nov 2013 #102

The sky IS blue, it is not a 'story'. And the official 'story' re the JFK assassination has so many sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #110

There were a number of witnesses that placed Oswald at the crime scene cpwm17 Nov 2013 #118

I don't doubt that Oswald was there or that he fired shots that day. What I don't sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #134

Did you listen to what Kerry actually said? karynnj Nov 2013 #73

I feel that this is the year the truth will finally come out. zappaman Nov 2013 #18

The Zapruder film shows two shots: back and front KansDem Nov 2013 #19

JFK sees the muzzle flash from the shooter in front FogerRox Nov 2013 #22

If you see the muzzle flash.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #78

Wrong. zappaman Nov 2013 #84

Holy shit, it's Badge Man! nyquil_man Nov 2013 #86

You're using a black powder muzzle-loader as an example? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #87

Considering at least 7 shots were fired FogerRox Nov 2013 #103

Only 7shots? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #106

Don't forget the driver! zappaman Nov 2013 #112

JFK's head went forward in the first frame after the shot from behind cpwm17 Nov 2013 #46

And most of us old enough to remember that day; those loosely of the same generation maddiemom Nov 2013 #21

Yes, and I always will have trouble with the Warren Report -- It's bullshit. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #23

Doe this make sense or is it nonsense INdemo Nov 2013 #25

Rarely mentioned is that 3 members of the Warren Commission had problems with the report dflprincess Nov 2013 #43

and 50 witnesses on the scene heard shots from 2 directions KurtNYC Nov 2013 #48

60 some said from TSBD only. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #75

According to Tip O'Neill Dave Powers and Kenneth O'Donnell both told him they heard shots from dflprincess Nov 2013 #105

Both FBI and CIA were uncooperative. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #66

Many people still searching. Here're some current resources... bluedeathray Nov 2013 #24

Oswald acted alone. End of story, except for the conspircy fans! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #26

Well, thank you for all that evidence to back up your own personal opinion. sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #32

Nothing would settle it for you. Because facts do not seem to help you people. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #39

You're right 'nothing' is exactly what you provided and thanks for getting my point. SOMETHING sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #40

Once again proving how ironically named you are, I see. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #59

Make believe is fun!!! n-t Logical Nov 2013 #104

Spewing bullshit assertively with nothing to back it up is even more fun. EOTE Nov 2013 #122

LOL, so popularity matters? 80% believe in angels! So are they real? You.... Logical Nov 2013 #145

It certainly does when it bolsters your opinion, doesn't it? EOTE Nov 2013 #146

Want me to list every group who thinks Oswald acted alone??? nt Logical Nov 2013 #147

And what good would that do, exactly? EOTE Nov 2013 #148

So who fired the shots at Major General Edwin Walker? Loudly Nov 2013 #27

Total bullshit on all counts. All this shit has been debunked. Lone assassin was Oswald. Closed. RBInMaine Nov 2013 #28

Apparently it has not been debunked. When something has been debunked the debunking sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #33

Agreed. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #54

Dream on, I know many would like the bullshit official story to be the end of it. Rex Nov 2013 #149

Finally - someone pics the book mth44sc Nov 2013 #29

The Soviets had it figured out a day after it happened... RagAss Nov 2013 #30

You're saying that the Kremlin of the early 60's should have been trusted? BootinUp Nov 2013 #34

There are no fucking "truth tellers" anywhere. RagAss Nov 2013 #37

If I knew what you were talking about in this post BootinUp Nov 2013 #50

Are you saying the CIA and FBI should have been trusted? dflprincess Nov 2013 #44

Can't stay on one subject at a time? BootinUp Nov 2013 #49

Here's audio of LBJ saying he doesn't believe in the single-bullet theory California_here Nov 2013 #132

The Soviets were merely trying to discredit the CIA... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #57

That's not particularly believable regardless treestar Nov 2013 #60

There are some things you will never know and you should accept that. randome Nov 2013 #35

It's a cold case. I watch Cold Cases sometimes and have seen 40 year old cases solved with new sabrina 1 Nov 2013 #42

How can anyone watch the Zapruder film meanit Nov 2013 #36

How did Connally get his wounds? nyquil_man Nov 2013 #41

Hard to ignore the profitability of the assassination and the resulting war. FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #45

JFK was taking on the big banks and the Federal Reserve, woo me with science Nov 2013 #51

I've always thought that most people are missing the point Nevernose Nov 2013 #52

I agree, it does motivate the CTs. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #62

Even if Ruby had never existed, there's a lot of questions about Oswald that remain. JVS Nov 2013 #64

IMO, Oswald is easy to figure out in hindsight. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #68

Not buying it. You don't just traipse in and out of the USSR like it's Canada, and Oswald... JVS Nov 2013 #71

He didn't "traipse" in. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #74

I am aware that travel in Russia was possible. I am also aware that it is the US that normally is.. JVS Nov 2013 #92

He was unsuccessful in renouncing his citizenship. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #99

Oh, well if you assure us that that's what the FBI is covering up, there's clearly nothing more to.. JVS Nov 2013 #100

The problem with conspiracy theories is they collapse under their own weight. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #53

Which conspiracy theory are you talking about? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #83

Any conspiracy theory that keeps inventing additional conspiracy theories to justify the original. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #85

Not to mention the extremely high risk of doing it in broad daylight zappaman Nov 2013 #89

Exactly. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #90

Do you mean this Jimmy Hoffa? Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #93

Yep. Clean hit, no witnesses. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #96

That's a point for the Warren Commission conspiracy theory, however BlueStreak Nov 2013 #109

Sorry. zappaman Nov 2013 #111

It matches all the evidences except the evidence it doesn't match BlueStreak Nov 2013 #125

Conspiracy theories are so easy to make for this case treestar Nov 2013 #61

And any evidence debunking the conspiracy... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #63

Like Colonel Flagg on MASH when he treestar Nov 2013 #65

Once again, the accusers ask the defenders to "prove" something California_here Nov 2013 #135

Oswald can never be tried treestar Nov 2013 #143

I suppose Oswald could have been tried "in abstentia" HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #153

untying the JFK knot polynomial Nov 2013 #67

Jesus Christ oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #72

Jesus Crist is a great analogy...its a matter of faith, HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #76

The fourth gunshot theory is as valid as the Warren Report. meanit Nov 2013 #101

The only evidence of 4 gunshots is a minority of earwitnesses. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #108

The evidence pointed to a 4th shot meanit Nov 2013 #157

Believe what you want, but truth is truth. Oswald acted alone. duffyduff Nov 2013 #77

... GoneFishin Nov 2013 #80

You surrendered really quickly cpwm17 Nov 2013 #94

Accessories After the Fact Bobcat Nov 2013 #88

Kerry was an accessory after the fact as well reddread Nov 2013 #97

How would you have them deal with conflicting testimony? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #154

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised at all if we found out definitively that this is Poppy Bush: Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #113

teamwork CONSPIRACY reddread Nov 2013 #114

de M was introduced to the Oswalds by the Russian ex-pat community. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #119

stretch it reddread Nov 2013 #121

How does it fit in with CIA? HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #115

you aren't serious. not even a question about it. reddread Nov 2013 #116

A lack of evidence does not prove a conspiracy. HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #123

proves willful ignorance, coverups, lack of evidence? trace patterns, trajectories, history. reddread Nov 2013 #127

I respect Kerry oswaldactedalone Nov 2013 #128

you really shouldnt reddread Nov 2013 #138

Who here believes the Warren Commission? Holly_Hobby Nov 2013 #150

read Mortal Error if you can find it rickford66 Nov 2013 #151

Roger Stone's book is really good. roamer65 Nov 2013 #156