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pipi_k

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143. That's not what "rare" means

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 12:46 PM

Nov 2013

in this instance.

Just like I tried to explain in another thread on this subject...a similar way to look at it might be to say that surgery for skin cancer should be rare because people are proactively doing what they can to avoid it.

That doesn't mean we want to deny skin cancer surgery to people.

What we want to do is make the NEED for it uncommon (rare) because people are being smart.

Same with abortion.

It should be legal and accessible for all women.

But so should birth control, which would make the NEED for legal abortions rare.

I know someone who has had at least four abortions. Nice she could have them, but WTF is wrong with using birth control??? Which I know she was NOT doing even though she could have.

With conventional birth control so easy to come by...

condoms/spermicides/the pill, etc....

there's no reason on earth a woman should have to use abortion as a means of birth control.

I dunno...maybe it's me...

take a pill...squirt some foam...make the man use a condom...whatever...easy and painless

vs

pain...bleeding...sadness...guilt...or whatever

am I missing something here?

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Abortion should NOT be rare. [View all] Texasgal Nov 2013 OP

Nobody on DU is advocating for lots of abortions, and nobody is trying to prevent access. NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

Read some the threads. Texasgal Nov 2013 #4

Did you read those threads? Revanchist Nov 2013 #21

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2013 #58

+1 freshwest Nov 2013 #63

so... you want unwanted pregnancies to be rare? hey, me, too!! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #66

+1 Agschmid Nov 2013 #77

^=== This. nt IdaBriggs Nov 2013 #153

You hit the nail on the head OwnedByCats Nov 2013 #156

Abortion should be made rare by free access to birth control for all. applegrove Nov 2013 #155

It shouldn't be common CFLDem Nov 2013 #2

I think the idea being conveyed is that we should have fewer unplanned pregnancies DefenseLawyer Nov 2013 #3

And if women aren't getting access to birth control Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #7

It really doesn't take a genius to wrap one's head around it, but people are being obtuse purposely NoOneMan Nov 2013 #24

If you're a right wing nut bag then was the entire Democratic party up until last year Revanchist Nov 2013 #34

nope, rare was removed in 2008 PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #37

You're right, my google-fu failed me Revanchist Nov 2013 #39

it's worded in a much better fashion. words carry weight. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #40

We are just interpreting the word differently Revanchist Nov 2013 #52

that's why party altered it. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #54

No, no we are not. Texasgal Nov 2013 #55

When did I say otherwise? Revanchist Nov 2013 #64

Yep, and since we want other invasive procedures to be more common, we should want abortion to be NoOneMan Nov 2013 #65

When abortions are extremely common it means something else is wrong Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #5

it should be common in the fact Texasgal Nov 2013 #6

Yes, nicely put. n/t Yo_Mama Nov 2013 #8

Except that "common" and "complete access to them when needed" have completely different meanings. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #11

does it? Texasgal Nov 2013 #13

Because they simply do tkmorris Nov 2013 #16

well diabetes should not be common Texasgal Nov 2013 #49

This is getting so tedious kdmorris Nov 2013 #120

Ok, you are preaching to the choir NoOneMan Nov 2013 #26

Yes you can Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #68

I don't think anyone here is arguing otherwise. pnwmom Nov 2013 #60

Do you believe that anyone wants Texasgal Nov 2013 #70

No, I don't. No one with those conditions wants them. pnwmom Nov 2013 #74

the party platform was changed to clarify. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #72

Except that's not what "common" means. pnwmom Nov 2013 #113

You're *still* confused even after all the threads Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #9

Read the threads. Texasgal Nov 2013 #15

The usual shit stirrers bullying others in some word power struggle NoOneMan Nov 2013 #28

The only shitstirring posts here are yours so far. Her body, Her choice. Deal with it. idwiyo Nov 2013 #111

I suppose the word shitstirring was ironic? mythology Nov 2013 #122

Preventing pregnancy through birth control and education is cheaper and better for women than Brickbat Nov 2013 #10

Birth control and education makes sense Texasgal Nov 2013 #12

Maybe when people say rare, they aren't talking about women in need NoOneMan Nov 2013 #20

And having lived in a country where abortion was not rare -- where the average woman had 3 by the Brickbat Nov 2013 #14

Got to ask where? Agschmid Nov 2013 #61

Russia. Brickbat Nov 2013 #121

What are people going to do when Hillary LittleBlue Nov 2013 #17

will not accept that Texasgal Nov 2013 #19

You get an abortion! You get an abortion! Everyone gets an abortion!!!!!!! NoOneMan Nov 2013 #18

Well I never said that Texasgal Nov 2013 #23

There are a whole lotta arguments based on things people never said regarding this subject NoOneMan Nov 2013 #25

I've linked to two academic papers on the topic, the national party changed the language PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #27

"you're no friend of women's rights" NoOneMan Nov 2013 #29

dismissive, combative and making really "punny" jokes. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #30

One more time, with a little more huff and we will believe you NoOneMan Nov 2013 #31

You should chill... whttevrr Nov 2013 #32

amen PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #33

After all the strawman arguments and ad hominems, the divisive painting of pro-choicers as rabid... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #36

That was a joke? whttevrr Nov 2013 #38

You don't watch Oprah much? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #42

What? whttevrr Nov 2013 #44

Ug. The car give away NoOneMan Nov 2013 #46

When you have to break it down... whttevrr Nov 2013 #47

The part that rejects the seriousness of redundant, divisive threads NoOneMan Nov 2013 #51

reduntant? Texasgal Nov 2013 #53

they're only divsive to people who can't discuss it like adults. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #59

The only one I see being divisive is you... whttevrr Nov 2013 #62

You see, this is another example NoOneMan Nov 2013 #69

Where you started is immaterial... whttevrr Nov 2013 #76

Its interesting. While you simultaneously engage in mis-characterizing me... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86

It's not an attempt, it is what it is. whttevrr Nov 2013 #99

If YOU really believe in supporting a woman's right to choose, you will let HER decide what is best idwiyo Nov 2013 #116

Your post history definitely makes it clear that you are rude and insulting idwiyo Nov 2013 #158

Can you carry a conversation without switching to profanity the moment someone disagree with you? idwiyo Nov 2013 #114

thank you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #22

You're wrong jrandom421 Nov 2013 #35

Heart meds should be available Texasgal Nov 2013 #45

that's exactly it. you don't want to expand access to a thing you PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #48

It's amazing isn't it? Texasgal Nov 2013 #50

Let me explain jrandom421 Nov 2013 #157

I wish we had gender symbols... whttevrr Nov 2013 #41

I'll own up to being a male... Agschmid Nov 2013 #67

I did not know that the Democratic Platform chose to remove the word rare from the platform... whttevrr Nov 2013 #82

Yes available to all agent46 Nov 2013 #43

Of course it should be rare. pnwmom Nov 2013 #56

For a woman who wants an abortion, it should never be rare for her to be allowed to get one -- she Texasgal Nov 2013 #57

No, that was MY point. pnwmom Nov 2013 #71

I'm saying that abortions Texasgal Nov 2013 #73

Yes. And ideally preventative medicine will make many pnwmom Nov 2013 #75

But cancer is not rare Texasgal Nov 2013 #78

That's not the issue. The issue is whether it SHOULD be rare. pnwmom Nov 2013 #81

Exactly. Texasgal Nov 2013 #85

Have you seen ME anywhere say that ACCESS to abortions should be rare? pnwmom Nov 2013 #94

Please, do not get all wired up here. Texasgal Nov 2013 #97

Many medical procedures ideally should be rare. But ACCESS to them should not be. pnwmom Nov 2013 #105

Funny analogy regarding Obamacare... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #108

Yeah, I know. pnwmom Nov 2013 #112

I feel that the very implication that pro-choicers are referring to access is insulting and divisive NoOneMan Nov 2013 #101

Read the threads. Texasgal Nov 2013 #103

Which ones? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #106

Did you get a chance to find threads with DUers who want to restrict access to abortion? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #118

At least one poster openly stated they want a repeal of Roe vs Wade. idwiyo Nov 2013 #159

Well stated. And the state should ultimately seek to make a more ideal world NoOneMan Nov 2013 #89

Exactly. nt pnwmom Nov 2013 #96

yes, just like unwanted pregnancies should be rare. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #79

+10000000000 Texasgal Nov 2013 #80

That's exactly what I've been saying. pnwmom Nov 2013 #83

but the mantra "safe, legal and rare" is wrong and harmful PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #87

Why? It should be rare because hardly any women pnwmom Nov 2013 #90

Again. Texasgal Nov 2013 #92

ugh PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #93

It is. Very much so. Texasgal Nov 2013 #91

The focus on the word rare is wrong. Choosing to birth or not belongs to those who give birth, eom freshwest Nov 2013 #84

no, the USE of the word "rare" in that context is wrong. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #88

Then what's with all the talk about the word 'rare' in reference to choice? I've seen at least 3 OPs freshwest Nov 2013 #110

the general discussion is about the antiqued "safe, legal, rare" mantra. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #115

It may be a function of age. IIRC, it was Gore's saying. We knew in a liberated society, abortions freshwest Nov 2013 #119

And no Democrat/liberal etc who ever said abortions should be rare, meant it in that context. phleshdef Nov 2013 #95

It's been an unfortunate coversation on DU Texasgal Nov 2013 #100

Seems that someone, either intentionally or not... 99Forever Nov 2013 #98

Well, it's not word police Texasgal Nov 2013 #102

The fuck it isn't. 99Forever Nov 2013 #107

In two posts you've essentially captured what I've been tripping over words for NoOneMan Nov 2013 #109

It Is NOBODY'S F*N BUSINESS... Therefore It Cannot Be Deemed Common, Nor Rare... WillyT Nov 2013 #104

trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #117

Heh. I love when people announce, in the thread, that they're trashing the thread. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #123

...okay. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #139

You got a dictionary? Lancero Nov 2013 #124

So - you really want unwanted pregnancies to be rare? Hey, me, too!! We should PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #125

Forgive me... Lancero Nov 2013 #126

Here you go PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #127

If sexual education and contraception programs are working, then it most certainly should be "rare". cleanhippie Nov 2013 #128

Is THIS grammatically acceptable to you: "Unplanned pregnancies should be very uncommon"? sir pball Nov 2013 #129

nope. please refer to the party platform. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #130

So you feel unplanned pregnancies should be common, sir pball Nov 2013 #131

read the platform PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #132

I agree with the damn "platform" 100%. Answer me. sir pball Nov 2013 #133

ho. lee. shit. you need to fucking relax. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #134

*chuckles* I'm perfectly calm, I just don't like non-text replies that don't say much. sir pball Nov 2013 #138

Like I said, I also don't think it's INTENTIONALLY harmful, which is why I like to engage in the PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #141

WRT "fighting for access", one can both fight for a cure and still want to reduce the disease*. sir pball Nov 2013 #146

Well, couple it with the massive sweeping restrictions on abortion. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #147

Like I said, it's not my slogan but I do agree with it when fully expressed. sir pball Nov 2013 #148

And I discuss it when expressed, even/especially when coming from a pro-choice supporter. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #149

Glad we actually worked it out sir pball Nov 2013 #150

This is starting to seem like a non-issue that can be used to treestar Nov 2013 #135

No, abortion should be rare. newcriminal Nov 2013 #136

Saying rare was all about contraceptics being available karynnj Nov 2013 #137

Abortions should be common. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #140

AH the weekly, don't teach people whistler162 Nov 2013 #142

whooooooosh PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #145

That's not what "rare" means pipi_k Nov 2013 #143

I will c&p a reply from my thread on the topic... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #144

There is a difference between rare and something to be lauded or encouraged... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #151

I do wish abortion to be rare..... Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #152

I think the real issue is that abortion never will be rare and never has been rare gollygee Nov 2013 #154

Suit yourself bluestateguy Nov 2013 #160