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zeemike

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81. Well I am not making any assumptions at all.

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 02:54 PM

Nov 2013

Because I don't know and neither do you...there are all kinds of posibilities...the earliest copy could have been made by others who left out parts or the parts were lost...and I do not make assumptions that style proves anything at all about the truth or non truth of the text...you are doing that...

But here is what I am claiming, that people who have a vested interest in discrediting the very existence of Jesus are making lots of assumptions based on little or no evidence for it...and ignoring the evidence that they are wrong.
And they do so with the attitude that if you don't buy it or question it it is because you are stupid and ignorant, I guess because they think they know all about things that they could not possibly know....once again ego gets in the way of truth and honest inquires.

Sorry but my gut feeling and the evidence I have seen and the words he is said to have spoken tells me he was real and is not a fairy tail constructed to fool people...but I do not say you are ignorant if you don't feel the same way.

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For anyone who actually read the Bible.... [View all] Playinghardball Nov 2013 OP

... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #1

He never said anything about abortion, either Warpy Nov 2013 #2

I think you are wrong about his addressing women about divorce. left is right Nov 2013 #56

His admonition was against a man marrying a divorced woman. Warpy Nov 2013 #59

Not to get into a big argument ovet semantics wercal Nov 2013 #3

Study up quaker bill Nov 2013 #5

Not necessarily wercal Nov 2013 #10

The profit Ezekiel very clearly condemned the city of Sodom left is right Nov 2013 #57

I hear girls are into sodomy too bigwillq Nov 2013 #7

Um SC and the OP were talking Jesus kydo Nov 2013 #8

Yes I understand the slight of words wercal Nov 2013 #11

I guess if you are one of those "Old Testament" Christians curlyred Nov 2013 #16

"Old Testament Christians"... Iggo Nov 2013 #58

By all means, yes, let's bring the OLD testament into this debate. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #22

No the intent of the OP is to say Jesus said nothing on Homosexuality. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #34

Jesus never mentioned abstinance either. RichGirl Nov 2013 #78

Jesus didn't say a lot of things that fundies believe in kydo Nov 2013 #80

Original meaning of 'sodomy' may surprise some QuestForSense Nov 2013 #9

Thank you!! But most "Christians" will have none of it.They want sodomy to be what they want it to kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #13

Paul was a class-A jackass, and I often wonder how much he distorted early Christianity. winter is coming Nov 2013 #14

Well, to be fair, most American Christians don't actually practice "Christianity".... A HERETIC I AM Nov 2013 #19

Thank you, Winter....Paul IS TRULY as much of a distorter as fox news is today. loudsue Nov 2013 #68

"Paul was a class-A jackass" LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #69

As with everything else 2naSalit Nov 2013 #29

Sodomy comes from the old testament b4 Christ Heather MC Nov 2013 #18

It's up in the Old Testament Health Manual called the Book of Leviticus jmowreader Nov 2013 #26

According to the Bible, Sodom was not destroyed because of homosexuality Revanchist Nov 2013 #30

+1 (nt) Nine Nov 2013 #76

But Jesus never said anything on it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #32

Um, no it's not... joeybee12 Nov 2013 #84

exactly gopiscrap Nov 2013 #4

Sexual orientation (and abortion) are simply Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #6

Jesus had quite a bit to say about social justice and wealth accumulation Major Nikon Nov 2013 #17

The Conservative Bible Project u4ic Nov 2013 #50

Christianity has always been interpreted by prevailing attitudes of religionists Major Nikon Nov 2013 #62

Is there even evidence that Jesus existed as he was depicted? Rozlee Nov 2013 #12

The same could be said for Plato, Aristotle, and Alexander the Great. zeemike Nov 2013 #20

Actually you're disproving your own point. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #21

Well his contemporaries wrote about Jesus too zeemike Nov 2013 #28

Actually, neither of them were Jesus' contemporaries. Rozlee Nov 2013 #31

You say things you could not possibly know. zeemike Nov 2013 #43

No credible scholar thinks that the gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John at the time LeftyMom Nov 2013 #33

No one thinks...and that makes it so without evidence. zeemike Nov 2013 #40

Are you really that ignorant of the history of your own religion? LeftyMom Nov 2013 #41

Well it is not my religion. zeemike Nov 2013 #45

So you're a non-Christian arguing for an ahistorical literalist interpretation of the gospels? LeftyMom Nov 2013 #46

No I am a person interested in history and religion. zeemike Nov 2013 #51

Do you realize how deliciously ironic this statement of yours is? n/t ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #97

And do you realize how condescending your reply is? zeemike Nov 2013 #98

No hit and run, lol. And the substance of my response lies in the ability of ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #99

Yes I know the meaning of irony. zeemike Nov 2013 #100

You have GOT to be kidding. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #47

We know, on the other hand, a great deal about historical figures of the period. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #36

"we can be absolutely sure" zeemike Nov 2013 #48

I'm sorry, you're apparently unfamiliar with the primary sources of the period. LeftyMom Nov 2013 #53

So then we know all about it then. zeemike Nov 2013 #54

The only writings of the time that survived about Jesus? intaglio Nov 2013 #61

I have heard that all before. zeemike Nov 2013 #65

Alright, you've officially lost all credibility. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #70

And you did what all do.who want to dismiss this zeemike Nov 2013 #71

No, it's not a conspiracy, that Saint Isa story was a damn hoax. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #72

And of course history majors cannot be wrong. zeemike Nov 2013 #74

OK, so you are admitting to a closed mind intaglio Nov 2013 #75

I am admitting to no such thing. zeemike Nov 2013 #77

What have I said that is not fact? intaglio Nov 2013 #79

Well I am not making any assumptions at all. zeemike Nov 2013 #81

You have claimed proof - demonstrate it intaglio Nov 2013 #83

I have not claimed proof I have claimed evidence. zeemike Nov 2013 #85

Fine now let's go over what you ignore intaglio Nov 2013 #86

And you are just assuming it has been fabricated. zeemike Nov 2013 #87

You spend all your time lying to youtself intaglio Nov 2013 #88

Conservatism and Libertarians are not a religion too zeemike Nov 2013 #93

Your response is irrelevant and it begins with a straw man ... intaglio Nov 2013 #95

Much of your posts remind me of the Jesus Seminar (Q, etc) fadedrose Nov 2013 #92

Not looked at Funk's group intaglio Nov 2013 #94

Try reading this post.... fadedrose Nov 2013 #89

There have been lots of reasons found why Josephus might have been silent intaglio Nov 2013 #91

Fine, so we end up finding this mythical Roman document on Jesus. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #42

That is a theory not a fact. zeemike Nov 2013 #49

Yes, many heroes, kings and luminaries are made legendary more by their followers than their own Rozlee Nov 2013 #27

Some wars and forced conversions had more to do with that. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #37

That's true. Rozlee Nov 2013 #52

Alexander the Great? plenty of evidence intaglio Nov 2013 #60

Really? ROFL snooper2 Nov 2013 #64

That is because what you don't understand you ridicule. zeemike Nov 2013 #66

I Jesus made up of matter? snooper2 Nov 2013 #67

He existed, but not as depicted fadedrose Nov 2013 #90

I always assume Jesus' stance on homosexuality was contained in this- sarisataka Nov 2013 #15

Jesus didn't comment on The Gay. That was JESUS�. n/t Beartracks Nov 2013 #23

Kick. Agschmid Nov 2013 #24

Actually, Paul was a recovering supercilious patriarchal prig. raging moderate Nov 2013 #25

I thought I heard, or read somewhere that some of what Paul was attributed with writing... 47of74 Nov 2013 #96

I love much of Pauls writings but the women hating, gay hating, and sex hating stuff I can do hrmjustin Nov 2013 #35

Do you ever get the feeling that we gentiles stumbled into a giant family argument? raging moderate Nov 2013 #38

Yes it did seem like a family argument. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #39

I see your little line at the end is a quotation from one of Paul's letters. raging moderate Nov 2013 #55

I try to live the line but I fall short. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #73

Nobody fucks with The Jesus. 47of74 Nov 2013 #44

jesus did say something about homosexuals..... madrchsod Nov 2013 #63

The Jesus did say a few things about slavery, tho... SidDithers Nov 2013 #82

As my dad said eons ago, "A story book, don't take it seriously." n/t RKP5637 Nov 2013 #101