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NoOneMan

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32. Reading the news isn't a measurement for access.

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:06 PM

Nov 2013

Thats called reading the news.

Look, I grew up in the late 80s/90s. The news was always full of idiots with signs with fake aborted fetuses, bombings at abortion clinics, that Rudolph guy who hid out on the AT, venomous politicians spewing their crap, the catholic right to life marches, the rise of the evangelicals who put the issue front and center as they flexed their political muscles, etc. That was the news then anecdotally. If anything, I see far less mention about abortion these days compared to that utter mess.

"Go read the news or something"

This isn't proof of a social trend whatsoever. Look, I am not denying what you are saying (that access is more restricted now than it used to be in the last 2-3 decades). I'd just like proof before I believe something.

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Abortion has never been rare. Why is that an expectation now? [View all] gollygee Nov 2013 OP

Perhaps one of the other dozen or so threads on this question could answer your question hughee99 Nov 2013 #1

The real question is, why do people feel the need to add rare as a condition of supporting choice? Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #10

Do you see it as a condition? hughee99 Nov 2013 #19

Yes, when the slogan is "safe, legal, and rare" it is a condition. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #29

And yet you're arguing with DUers who have hughee99 Nov 2013 #47

"covered by...single payer" is also setting a condition that is superfluous to the core concept. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #61

It's not "setting a condition". hughee99 Nov 2013 #64

The group that supports " & rare" as a platform for discussing unwanted pregnancies aids pro-lifers. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #65

"And" is a conjunction, but not always necessarily as you used it. hughee99 Nov 2013 #66

No, but if you said "I like chocolate and peanut butter" I wouldn't offer you caramel Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #70

True, but I gave you an example where "and" doesn't imply hughee99 Nov 2013 #72

With the new insurance coverage, birth control BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #2

BC may be more affordable and available, but that doesn't change the effectiveness REP Nov 2013 #49

Which is why I think abortion should be on demand. n/t BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #54

If you don't understand what the people on this board mean when they say rare by now Revanchist Nov 2013 #3

Because it is still trying to control what women do with their bodies. boston bean Nov 2013 #14

The rate of abortion is ~19.6 per 1000 women aged 15-44 in a population NoOneMan Nov 2013 #4

So one out of 50 women has an abortion every year gollygee Nov 2013 #5

"What's your point?" NoOneMan Nov 2013 #6

I was wondering why you told me that statistic gollygee Nov 2013 #8

Words like rare are arbitrary, especially without context NoOneMan Nov 2013 #12

Uhm, yeah gollygee Nov 2013 #13

It is a real question NoOneMan Nov 2013 #18

Is there mandatory wait period or reporting to another person? How far does someone have to uppityperson Nov 2013 #26

I understand all that. Where is the statistic that measures this? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #31

I never claimed abortions are "becoming more rare" and notice how YOUR chart shows it going back up? uppityperson Nov 2013 #33

Sorry, I meant to direct that at Gollygee NoOneMan Nov 2013 #38

Here is the page that chart is from and another, same source. Notice all the access restrictions? uppityperson Nov 2013 #41

"I do not see any way you can say it is not." NoOneMan Nov 2013 #46

You asked if access has been impeded gollygee Nov 2013 #28

Reading the news isn't a measurement for access. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #32

Yeah reading the news is how you'll find the proof gollygee Nov 2013 #34

In that time, how many other states improved access? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #37

There has only been one law since 2006 expanding access gollygee Nov 2013 #40

Yup, kill off enough, close enough small clinics and the few that stay open have good security. uppityperson Nov 2013 #42

I do not know how the number of abortion providers have fared in the last few decades NoOneMan Nov 2013 #48

No it isn't. It's 15.1 per the CDC REP Nov 2013 #55

Thanks NoOneMan Nov 2013 #56

You found old data REP Nov 2013 #57

Some statistics Revanchist Nov 2013 #7

I am aware of the statistics gollygee Nov 2013 #9

indeed PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #11

So you are suggesting access has made abortions more rare? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #16

I will c&p a reply from my thread on the topic... PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #15

You don't want a discussion newcriminal Nov 2013 #22

oh, yes... cherry pick one reply from a point of frustration PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #23

one reply? newcriminal Nov 2013 #73

lol, go stalk someone else. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #74

I prefer that abortions be well done Orrex Nov 2013 #17

I'll step in it Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #20

My abortion was most definitely a positive. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #68

OK Lurker Deluxe Nov 2013 #76

I've also had a child and that was also Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #78

blah blah rare blah blah Egnever Nov 2013 #21

It's so sad that you find this subject to be "getting old" boston bean Nov 2013 #24

Looks rare to me LittleBlue Nov 2013 #25

I am sure it is very RARE for 49% of the US population. boston bean Nov 2013 #27

Three out of 10 women has an abortion by age 45 gollygee Nov 2013 #30

So Hillary is part of the War on Women? LittleBlue Nov 2013 #35

Hmm well that's a jump gollygee Nov 2013 #36

Why do so many DUers feel this way? nt LittleBlue Nov 2013 #44

ignorance. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #45

Because history is ignored. ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #39

Because getting an abortion sucks. n/t Dawgs Nov 2013 #43

There are any number of medical procedures that I think should be safe and legal onenote Nov 2013 #50

This whole 'rare' business started after Hillary testified before closeupready Nov 2013 #51

No, it started in the early 90's. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #53

Abortion has never been rare. Why is that an expectation now? Snake Plissken Nov 2013 #52

Ok, who sent out the memo to post flamebaiting, divisive OPs about "rare" abortions kestrel91316 Nov 2013 #58

+1.. WTF? SomethingFishy Nov 2013 #62

It's been discussed for years. It was updated in platform in 2008, DU is late to catch up on this. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #63

I go by my mother-in-law on this one, Benton D Struckcheon Nov 2013 #59

Double Speak One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #60

Best book ever on the subject is "Abortion in America" by James C. Mohr duffyduff Nov 2013 #67

Thank you! Added to my reading list! PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #69

Looks like you got the duty tonight XRubicon Nov 2013 #71

Coordinate what? Quantess Nov 2013 #75

Because religion is more important to some people than women's bodies and autonomy TransitJohn Nov 2013 #77