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gollygee

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98. No

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:36 PM

Nov 2013

The first thing we've done in any anti-racism training I've gone to is to define racism, and every single anti-racism trainer I've heard from has defined it as societal, and individual bigotry as bigotry. And I consider these people, who are people of color and who are therefore personally affected by racism, and who have advanced degrees in this field and work in this field, to be authorities on the subject.

They've also said that they've only known white people to define individual bigotry as "racism." I don't know if any people of color at DU have even contributed to this thread, but maybe they could speak for that better than I could. I only know what I've been taught, but again I do consider these people to be greater authorities on the subject than anyone I've seen post in this thread so I'm going with what they told me.

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A question about Racism (The term "Redneck") [View all] yuiyoshida Nov 2013 OP

I answered first libodem Nov 2013 #1

Thanks for your reply.. yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #3

Redneck seems like libodem Nov 2013 #4

okay but.. yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #5

I'm a proud redneck backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #100

Right, it's more cultural than racial Warpy Nov 2013 #68

I never heard that explanation for the origin of the term before. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #78

I don't understand why that is.. yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #82

"Hakujin" is not an insult, Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #128

Henna meaning yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #133

I don't think so when you see so many white guys especially go out there and say they are rednecks Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #2

By that logic, if a black person calls themselves "N" demwing Nov 2013 #112

Not really the contexts are very different Arcanetrance Nov 2013 #114

I disagree, with adamance. /nt demwing Nov 2013 #117

The Bellamy Brothers would disagree with you Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #135

Racism = bigotry + power gollygee Nov 2013 #6

I understand that.. yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #9

It might be a bigoted statement gollygee Nov 2013 #12

Popular myth Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #13

Well I double checked wikipedia on that gollygee Nov 2013 #14

See how far back it goes in it's usage. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #16

A Scotch immigrant is anyone coming here with a bottle of Glenfiddich JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2013 #92

Ooops. I was thinking Scotch-Irish, but left off the Irish because it didn't apply. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #97

lol, my Scots-Irish ancestors would still quibble OriginalGeek Nov 2013 #111

LOL! I have seen it both ways. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #113

I can promise you this: OriginalGeek Nov 2013 #119

That's sweet of you to say. Behind the Aegis Nov 2013 #120

yup scots is the correct term, as the poster said scotch is the a drink loli phabay Nov 2013 #137

"[R]acism is specifically about having societal power." Hosnon Nov 2013 #85

From a moral point of view there is no difference, if one is a bigot while out of power Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #15

Interesting. enlightenment Nov 2013 #28

I do volunteer work for an organization gollygee Nov 2013 #66

Ah. enlightenment Nov 2013 #95

That is not the general use the word. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #79

Hmm gollygee Nov 2013 #81

It's the basic dictionary definition. ZombieHorde Nov 2013 #96

That's institutional racism, and only one form of racism. Hosnon Nov 2013 #84

See post 81 gollygee Nov 2013 #89

Your training may focus on institutional racism for various reasons, Hosnon Nov 2013 #94

No gollygee Nov 2013 #98

It's news to me if only white people think racism includes individual racism. Hosnon Nov 2013 #104

You must not have had a terribly good trainer, then, I'm afraid. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #107

Very true. Though institution racism is far more damaging overall.....nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #106

That's only describing *institutional* racism, tho....and not all racism is institutional. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #86

See post 81 gollygee Nov 2013 #88

Okay, and? AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #99

Based on that response gollygee Nov 2013 #102

Based on your response..... AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #105

Which has nada to do with racism demwing Nov 2013 #115

I would call it classist as opposed to racist (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #7

To me, a redneck describes a lifestyle more than anything else AndyA Nov 2013 #8

I have always heard "Redneck" being applied to yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #11

In my part of Arkansas, at least, Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #145

If its intended to be so - yes. rrneck Nov 2013 #10

I kind of assumed libodem Nov 2013 #27

The term itself carries with it rrneck Nov 2013 #123

If it's used by an outsider to stereotype a group of people based on appearance, Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #17

That is confusing.... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #21

I don't mean this as snark, but you need to read up on it. Gormy Cuss Nov 2013 #29

Thanks... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #33

The original rednecks were union coal miners. hobbit709 Nov 2013 #18

Nope. Spider Jerusalem Nov 2013 #20

It's not racist. Sheldon Cooper Nov 2013 #19

Please explain why those words are not yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #23

Racism is active - it's a mechanism of power usage, like Sexism. Bigotry is individual belief. haele Nov 2013 #35

Thank you so much... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #37

+1000 Tom Ripley Nov 2013 #38

OK, then it's open season on calling everyone anything cpwm17 Nov 2013 #25

What? hrmjustin Nov 2013 #72

I perceive racism as referring to an assumed sense of ethnic and/or racial superiority one group has Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #22

I'm something of a redneck. Throd Nov 2013 #24

okay but the question is... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #26

No, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Throd Nov 2013 #30

Look, "Redneck" is not a race. You can't be racist for calling someone a redneck - especially ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #40

okay but isn't it assumed that yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #43

Every redneck I ever knew, me included, was proud to be referred to as such. It's a ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #51

But you can still be a bigot. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2013 #49

Well, you see, one trait of a true redneck is that he doesn't recognize ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #52

If somebody calls me a flaming white liberal libodem Nov 2013 #42

I don't think you're going to find consensus enlightenment Nov 2013 #45

Yes of course.... Its far better never to use yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #50

So you drink from Red Solo Cups not Crystal Stem? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #56

Beer already comes in a can. Who needs fancy-pants cups? Throd Nov 2013 #74

I want you to know... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #108

redneck as racism.. Sylvarose Nov 2013 #31

A redneck is a member of a certain subset of Caucasians. ... JEFF9K Nov 2013 #32

Redneck may be a step up for you then. Go Vols Nov 2013 #53

Jeff said 'generally' and that's true, regardless of the charming picture above. IrishAyes Nov 2013 #129

Lol that's awesome! CFLDem Nov 2013 #134

No. Iggo Nov 2013 #34

It's a lifestyle choice 2naSalit Nov 2013 #36

+1000 Tom Ripley Nov 2013 #39

Oh bullshit. Most of the redneck culture is based on pride in hard work which ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2013 #48

Yeah, that's bullshit. n/t Skip Intro Nov 2013 #64

Country Boy, Good Ol Boy, Hick, Bumpkin, Redneck, White Trash, Poor White Trash... NightWatcher Nov 2013 #41

Did you notice that song has the yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #57

removed the song NightWatcher Nov 2013 #62

Thanks... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #65

I have never viewed the N-word as having negative context in that song. ieoeja Nov 2013 #103

it was easier to just not go near it NightWatcher Nov 2013 #109

white trash does not belong with the other loyalsister Nov 2013 #122

Rednecks choose to be belligerently stupid and are proud of doing so Tom Ripley Nov 2013 #44

lol,you an expert? Go Vols Nov 2013 #55

As a matter of fact, I am. I am currently doing field studies here in Georgia. Tom Ripley Nov 2013 #63

I don't think you are getting an accurate picture Go Vols Nov 2013 #67

Hmmm... 2naSalit Nov 2013 #125

Redneck is on a level with things like 'hick,' 'nerd,' 'jock,' 'hippy,' 'beatnik,' etc. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2013 #46

yes nothing to do with the color of the neck lunasun Nov 2013 #118

its a life style beachbum bob Nov 2013 #47

There are black people in my area that are rednecks. It is the way they dress and choose to live. appleannie1 Nov 2013 #54

Do they refer to themselves as that? yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #60

Union History 101, no longer taught nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #58

Thank you. Being from a coal mining region, I heard that story from parents and grandparents, but AlinPA Nov 2013 #71

That is the other origin nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #73

Thanks. I was going to post about this theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #121

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Nov 2013 #124

wrong it predates that, its the covenanters where redneck comes from loli phabay Nov 2013 #139

I don't come from a race of Rednecks, Go Vols Nov 2013 #59

I used to think 'hillbillies' were only white Americans who lived in the mountains of the Southern Tikki Nov 2013 #61

I suppose for example if you yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #69

Lots of people live in hills and not all are called 'hillbillies' so it has an aspect of 'lifestyle' Tikki Nov 2013 #76

Yes, I have learned a lot today yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #77

I've been told "thug" and "gangsta" are racist terms. Skip Intro Nov 2013 #70

Maybe its how they are used... yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #75

Redneck is a classist term etherealtruth Nov 2013 #80

I don't recall Rednecks being enslaved.. HipChick Nov 2013 #83

Unless you're part of the group CJCRANE Nov 2013 #87

This is common sense yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #91

best post on the thread, and so true loli phabay Nov 2013 #140

Usually not, no. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #90

What ya think?? yuiyoshida Nov 2013 #93

Maybe, I dunno. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #101

Hmm...I dont use the term but.. SummerSnow Nov 2013 #110

Prejudice is ugly One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #116

No rock Nov 2013 #126

I voted yes. Township75 Nov 2013 #127

Township, you're confusing "nigger" and "niggardly". Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #142

classist perhaps... mike_c Nov 2013 #130

Apparently my vote has now been recorded but I still don't get a form to explain my vote; IrishAyes Nov 2013 #131

To appreciate how it can be racist, be called that while you're the only white person around. dimbear Nov 2013 #132

Culturally it's been used as a term of endearment alp227 Nov 2013 #136

Rednecks are a generally racist, bigoted, simple subset of the white population. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #138

Like so many things, it depends on tone and context... No Vested Interest Nov 2013 #141

Randy Newman - Rednecks Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2013 #143

the term redneck is not racist. that's just damn silly to even think that. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #144