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BelgianMadCow

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53. The TPP court will not rule in secret, except when they choose to do so

Mon Nov 11, 2013, 05:12 PM

Nov 2013

as pointed out in detail at NC.

And I've read the entire investor-state chapter. You can find it here, if you haven't. The exact language used when saying it's illegal for signatories to enter into agreements that favoritise local production is downright chilling. The chapter also explicitly says all these rules apply across the board, from federal through state to municipal level.

I consider "going local" a big part of the solution to the several crises we have coming our way, and consequently the TPP & TTIP a major obstacle to that.

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The TPP, if Passed, Spells the End of Popular Sovereignty for The United States [View all] BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 OP

How does the "inevitable" Hillary Clinton feel about TPP? NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #1

Didnt she broker some of the existing provisions as SoS? DJ13 Nov 2013 #3

That's funny. I ixquicked "Hillary Clinton and the TPP" BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #4

exactly. nt antigop Nov 2013 #14

She's happy to tell you solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #7

OMG. "Let's have a conversation". NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #8

from the US Dept. of State website antigop Nov 2013 #13

Here's the QUOTE from the Article: KoKo Nov 2013 #20

Thanks for the core data!!! grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #39

and how many labor/environmental groups have been included in the negotiations? nt antigop Nov 2013 #41

K and R nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #2

K&R liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #5

K&R. I don't trust Obama/DC DEMS on this, not one single bit. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #6

Well I do. He would absolutely not be part of what is described in the OP. Whisp Nov 2013 #9

President Obama Speaks on the Trans-Pacific Partnership solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #10

Has anybody leaked the so-called "protections".......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #12

PREZ OBAMA HAS OUT ORWELLED GEORGE, THIS IS LYIN' DOUBLESPEAK drynberg Nov 2013 #21

You're jesting, right? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #29

This smells too much like Cat Food Commission. Whisp Nov 2013 #31

Not to be an ass but AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #56

Do me a favor and go read the text of the investment chapter BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #58

could you provide a link to the TPP source documentation please solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #59

Here's what Public Citizen (best source I've seen) has online BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #61

Thanks very much! Got some reading to do... solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #67

Her site has the same attacks on Common Core education as the far-right sites do. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #63

Bravo...I agree entirely! George II Nov 2013 #75

Well, isn't that special!....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #11

k/r 840high Nov 2013 #15

Well, it seems like it will have a hard time passing because... Stonepounder Nov 2013 #16

He wants the US Senate to give him "Fast Track Authority" so... KoKo Nov 2013 #22

kick nt antigop Nov 2013 #17

welcome to the brave and new fascist world stupidicus Nov 2013 #18

Quite a bit of hyperbole here to be sure.....but nothing to sneeze at, either. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #19

HYPERBOLE MY ASS, FIND OUT JUST HOW TERRIBLE THIS TPP IS, WHY DO YOU THINK IT'S IN drynberg Nov 2013 #24

Examples of "hyperbole"? WinkyDink Nov 2013 #28

It is a test. Springslips Nov 2013 #44

Oh no not at all. I'm sure it will all turn out splendidly. Quantess Nov 2013 #33

Didn't you see the "but nothing to sneeze at" clause? AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #34

Plus 1 Springslips Nov 2013 #45

Its not the end, any more than the WTO was the end bhikkhu Nov 2013 #23

Agreed. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #35

I agree with you on local regulations, environmental policies, living wages, etc davidpdx Nov 2013 #37

A bit over the top, wouldn't you say? George II Nov 2013 #25

Ask the UK about being ruled by the EU. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #27

Um...... jeff47 Nov 2013 #51

I think it is plenty fair to say it impacts our sovereignty. We are debating degrees and areas. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #65

"The end of popular sovereignty for the United States"? George II Nov 2013 #69

What purpose is it if corporation X can now either reverse the will of the people or extract huge TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #72

The support of this by Obama boggles, indeed, stupefies---unless one accepts that he is VERY be- WinkyDink Nov 2013 #26

the bailout of the bankers (.01%) might have been a clue? solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #30

That was 16+ trillion, total. grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #40

And Obama seems not a fan of FDR. WinkyDink Nov 2013 #64

It is amazing quaker bill Nov 2013 #32

Bear in mind that Winston was reading Adolph's top secret messages before he did sometimes n/t Fumesucker Nov 2013 #36

Bear in mind quaker bill Nov 2013 #38

I have looked online and... adavid Nov 2013 #42

Machiavelli Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #43

An interesting historical reference BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #47

Machiavelli and Game therory Ichingcarpenter Nov 2013 #71

How does the party of NAFTA speak out on TPP? The party of Free Trade with Korea, China? Romulox Nov 2013 #46

Corporate Coup Indeed colsohlibgal Nov 2013 #48

OMG! It's, it's, the New World Order! jazzimov Nov 2013 #49

OMG! It's, it's, the most succesful meme against critical thinking, ever! BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #50

A while back we had a discussion regarding this with a law professor... wysi Nov 2013 #52

The TPP court will not rule in secret, except when they choose to do so BelgianMadCow Nov 2013 #53

Today's update, courtesy of Wikileaks: wysi Nov 2013 #79

This is the issue of our generation. I wonder how Elizabeth Warren feels about this? silvershadow Nov 2013 #54

Warren on Trans-Pacific Partnership: If people knew what was going on, they would stop it solarhydrocan Nov 2013 #60

We do not want the TPP. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #55

Ed is doing a segment on the TPP on his show tonight. octoberlib Nov 2013 #57

I saw that too senseandsensibility Nov 2013 #66

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2013 #62

K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #68

What of the other parties to it? treestar Nov 2013 #70

k Berlum Nov 2013 #73

K&R Oilwellian Nov 2013 #74

this is a sad moment to watch RainDog Nov 2013 #76

Agreed. The Dem Party, I have concluded, is still coasting on its former Nay Nov 2013 #78

Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at State Department (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Nov 2013 #77