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ecstatic

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111. An elected democrat can only govern "left of center" if we have a filibuster proof
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 02:32 AM
Nov 2013

majority. It doesn't matter who is the nominee in 2016--Kucinich, Warren, or Clinton--the direction of policy will be determined by what can actually pass the House and Senate.

Elizabeth Warren will not be running for president warrior1 Nov 2013 #1
What is funny is that whenever there is a Warren for president thread, this lie... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #4
It's not a lie...it's an informed analysis brooklynite Nov 2013 #20
"Secret letter" or not and whether she said she will not run - both are of no regard to me mazzarro Nov 2013 #23
I don't think encouraging allies to run rules out you will run as well NoOneMan Nov 2013 #24
First - it's NOT three years out.. brooklynite Nov 2013 #27
Im not pushing anything. Im annoyed at the whole Warren supports Hillary lie NoOneMan Nov 2013 #32
Warren supports Hillary nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #75
Warren encouraged Hillary to run. We have no idea who she wants to win the candidacy NoOneMan Nov 2013 #82
Im gonna guess she wants the person she is encouraging to run to win. nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #134
Why? And why is that the only person you think she wants to run? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #136
well I can think of a few reasons to encourage a person to run for office arely staircase Nov 2013 #137
Did you ever think that having a variety of candidates that represent different views... NoOneMan Nov 2013 #139
i don't think we should just give it to anyone arely staircase Nov 2013 #140
Warren really had no other choice than to support when it was put to her, did she? Whisp Nov 2013 #105
sure she did arely staircase Nov 2013 #135
The letter is no longer secret since its existence has been leaked. MADem Nov 2013 #31
"so you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?", SEN. OBAMA: "I will not." NoOneMan Nov 2013 #34
Oh please--for shame! You can read as well as I can, and you have been disingenuous. MADem Nov 2013 #39
"I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008" - Obama NoOneMan Nov 2013 #40
Again--show me the letter Obama signed endorsing another candidate. MADem Nov 2013 #43
Show me the letter Warren signed endorsing another candidate NoOneMan Nov 2013 #45
When you encourage someone to run, that's an endorsement. You can pretend it isn't, but it is. MADem Nov 2013 #49
I guess one of us is in pretend land NoOneMan Nov 2013 #50
You don't have to reply to the same post more than once. MADem Nov 2013 #64
Ok, but instead of saying Warren endorse Clinton, you should say you bet she will NoOneMan Nov 2013 #68
She signed that letter. MADem Nov 2013 #69
The lie isn't about whether she signed it, but that signing a secret encouragement is an endorsment NoOneMan Nov 2013 #70
It's an informal endorsement, as I said. You can't formally endorse a person until MADem Nov 2013 #71
An endorsement is a public announcement by definition NoOneMan Nov 2013 #73
Look, you can play all the games you want. She signed the letter. MADem Nov 2013 #77
She signed a secret encouragement to run. She didn't publicly endorse of her as the candidate NoOneMan Nov 2013 #78
And that really BOTHERS you!!!! Waaaah, she signed a secret letter! MADem Nov 2013 #84
Using DU to spread lies should bother everyone here NoOneMan Nov 2013 #86
There you go, calling me a liar again. You really need to not do that. MADem Nov 2013 #87
I didn't call you a liar. I've proven that a specific statement you are making is a lie NoOneMan Nov 2013 #88
Google: define Political endorsement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #56
Poor Widdle Elizabeth is being LIED about...she's being BULLIED....she's being pushed into signing MADem Nov 2013 #62
You are doing the lying. She has no control over your lies. I doubt they'll affect her decision. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #63
No I'm not, but you're losing it, here. MADem Nov 2013 #67
No one is going to declare this early in the game. Not even the inevetible has declared. Whisp Nov 2013 #109
Why? Because she wants to be a US Senator and not a President. That's why. longship Nov 2013 #58
"Why don't people understand this simple thing?" I think that many of us have been Cal33 Nov 2013 #59
But Elizabeth Warren has already said she's not interested. longship Nov 2013 #60
This is what could happen when people are grasping at last straws. Cal33 Nov 2013 #65
You mean like the way Obama said he wasn't going to run? NoOneMan Nov 2013 #76
Because it's three fucking years to the election. longship Nov 2013 #89
Look, I agree with you more than you realize NoOneMan Nov 2013 #91
Thanks. longship Nov 2013 #92
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Clinton's who put this 'letter' nonsense out there themselves. Whisp Nov 2013 #11
Boxer organized the secret letter of encouragement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #12
Boxer has been a Clinton minion for a long time. Whisp Nov 2013 #14
Both Clintons have been in politics all of their adult lives. Hillary herself had said so when she Cal33 Nov 2013 #18
EVERY Democratic woman Senator--including Warren--signed it. MADem Nov 2013 #41
Obama said quite the same...that he wasn't running. Look who beat Hillary last time. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #42
Your answer is non responsive. Show me the letter Obama signed endorsing another Dem. MADem Nov 2013 #48
Show me a letter Warren signed publicly endorsing another candidate NoOneMan Nov 2013 #93
Yes, because Barbara Boxer is a big fat LIAR! MADem Nov 2013 #114
The letter Boxer had them signed in secret is no public endorsement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #115
Waaaaah! MADem Nov 2013 #118
I'd be surprised if that *didn't* lead back to the Clintons, winter is coming Nov 2013 #52
Boxer organized the secret letter of encouragement NoOneMan Nov 2013 #95
As usual, your comments are nonsensical. Beacool Nov 2013 #100
yeh, I know. The Clintons are so straight up and honest. Whisp Nov 2013 #101
You make up stuff about them all the time. Beacool Nov 2013 #106
Don't have to make stuff up, it's all on record. Whisp Nov 2013 #107
Warren is awesome. I would love to see her run. But I am behind Hillary and bluestate10 Nov 2013 #79
I'm for drafting Elizabeth. I can't imagine being inspired to work for Hillary's election. Scuba Nov 2013 #2
Yup, I feel the same. n/t whathehell Nov 2013 #3
^^^This. +1 n/t Chan790 Nov 2013 #5
Do you think it possible that there will be a movement to draft Elizabeth? We still Cal33 Nov 2013 #7
"Drafting" is an exercise in futility AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #19
Agreed. HappyMe Nov 2013 #8
Yup. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2013 #9
I am not inspired for Hillary at all. bigwillq Nov 2013 #37
Well, if she becomes the nominee, you'll have to take a holiday from here. MADem Nov 2013 #44
There have been many actively working against the President from the get go. Whisp Nov 2013 #54
Ah, Hell, what in the world is this controversy? juajen Nov 2013 #94
Yes, let's all support a DINO, because, unity, or whatever. Scuba Nov 2013 #97
"Get real" LMFAO Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #98
That's OK, there are millions who are plenty inspired and will work very hard to elect Hillary. Beacool Nov 2013 #103
Why? In case the TPP doesn't get signed before Barack leaves office? Scuba Nov 2013 #123
Why? Beacool Nov 2013 #129
No disclaimers here. LWolf Nov 2013 #6
The second sentence of the 1st paragraph is: "But if Hillary should win in the primaries, I'd Cal33 Nov 2013 #13
I'm pointing out LWolf Nov 2013 #16
No more of the same. vi5 Nov 2013 #10
I supported Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries, but when the nominee was chosen, Arkansas Granny Nov 2013 #15
This entire thread assumes conditions in 2016 will be just like 2013 starroute Nov 2013 #17
You've brought up many points that merit deeper thought. But the one about Hillary's Cal33 Nov 2013 #22
That might fly with the 50 year olds but not with the 30 year olds starroute Nov 2013 #66
Excuse me, but the Clinton years were the best this country experienced in my lifetime. Beacool Nov 2013 #104
I support Hillary but if Warren were the nominee I would be happy and vote for her. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #21
1,000,000,000,000,000+ %. nt bluestate10 Nov 2013 #81
Elizabeth Warren's hopes and aspirations for what she would like to do and achieve Cal33 Nov 2013 #99
that seems like a strange hope hfojvt Nov 2013 #25
One can always hope. What's wrong with that? I didn't say that I expected it would happen with Cal33 Nov 2013 #26
the trouble is, though hfojvt Nov 2013 #29
You mean you think Hillary would rush our nation into self-destruct as quickly Cal33 Nov 2013 #53
maybe more so hfojvt Nov 2013 #61
Looks like it will be the Warren people who are the PUMAs this time... SidDithers Nov 2013 #28
How will they reconcile Warren's EARLY support of Clinton's candidacy, though? MADem Nov 2013 #47
rather simple actually Bodhi BloodWave Nov 2013 #108
Well, a real leader would just not sign the letter, and discourage the MADem Nov 2013 #112
unless she actually belive it would strengthen the race neh? Bodhi BloodWave Nov 2013 #124
No, because that's not how Democratic women in the Senate do things. MADem Nov 2013 #128
I consider the "she has a D after her name, vote for her or the republicans win" game to be a scam. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #30
Because she doesn't want it One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #33
President Obama stated he didn't want to run in 2008 more than once. NoOneMan Nov 2013 #35
I saw a post here about a speech Clinton gave in SF where she blamed "both sides" tularetom Nov 2013 #36
Yes. A US president who is left of center both economically and socially is Zorra Nov 2013 #38
If Hillary wants my vote she'll have to disavow and fight against TPP. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #46
I will look at those in the primary and make my decision then. NCTraveler Nov 2013 #51
As much as I would like to see Warren in high office, unless Dems and "progressives" Skidmore Nov 2013 #55
I'm not a moderate, centrist, Neo-lib, New Democrat, or 3rd Way. I vote for progressives. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #57
I wonder if Joe Biden will run for potus. . . B Calm Nov 2013 #72
I agree. 2016 is time for the nation to start moving more toward the Left of the bluestate10 Nov 2013 #74
Warren is staying here, in MA. graywarrior Nov 2013 #80
So do I....and she'll sit in "Ted's seat" until President Clinton nominates her as Fed Chair. nt MADem Nov 2013 #85
President Clinton? HappyMe Nov 2013 #90
Yes, President Hillary Clinton. MADem Nov 2013 #113
She's NOT the president. HappyMe Nov 2013 #125
Neither was Barack Obama in 2006. MADem Nov 2013 #126
lol! HappyMe Nov 2013 #127
Maybe Deval could run for her seat. graywarrior Nov 2013 #96
Deval might just want to be Attorney General of the United States. MADem Nov 2013 #120
Without a House majority and Senate (super)majority, Jamaal510 Nov 2013 #83
Are we going to have another three years of the Left Beacool Nov 2013 #102
My concern with a Warren nomination... Deep13 Nov 2013 #110
An elected democrat can only govern "left of center" if we have a filibuster proof ecstatic Nov 2013 #111
I'd rather see.. fadedrose Nov 2013 #116
I'm so sick of this shit! This entire thread and threads like it don't mean SHIT!!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #117
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. MADem Nov 2013 #119
There's 50 million Hillary threads that up daily, both pro and con. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #121
If there's no discussion, that's on you. You want discussion? Fire it up! MADem Nov 2013 #122
I've been active in politics all my life. And I've been screaming about local politics on this forum Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #130
You're correct. We've got to make sure that many more Democrats will be voting in Cal33 Nov 2013 #131
When it all comes down to it, we are on the same side. We're fighting for the same things!!!! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2013 #132
That's wonderful that you've been active in local politics all your life. MADem Nov 2013 #133
not hillary upi402 Nov 2013 #138
But it looks like another "corporatist" is what we will get, if Elizabeth doesn't run. That's the Cal33 Nov 2013 #141
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